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	== ~~Workaround Suggestions~~ ==		== Low profile 365 workaround suggestions* ==
			<small> * The following suggestions belong solely to the author of this article: RjBradlow.</small>

	* It would be better to use '4' 2.5 laptop drives with a Icy Dock MB994SP-4S Quad Bay 2.5" SATA/SAS Mobile Rack for use in a single 5.25" device bay above where the hard drive normally sits since using a 3.5HD in the factory location covers 3 of the 4 SATA ports when fully inserted.		* It would be better to use '4' 2.5 laptop drives with a Icy Dock MB994SP-4S Quad Bay 2.5" SATA/SAS Mobile Rack for use in a single 5.25" device bay above where the hard drive normally sits since using a 3.5HD in the factory location covers 3 of the 4 SATA ports when fully inserted.
	*This way you get 4 drives up above the board that you can RAID, and then use a PATA/IDE DVD drive. This fills in the 2 available 5.25 bays and leaves room under for the board and cables. (ICY DOCK MN's: MB994SP-4S, MB994SP-4SB-1, or MB971SP-B 'DuoSwap dual multi-drive cage'.)~~</small>~~		*This way you get 4 drives up above the board that you can RAID, and then use a PATA/IDE DVD drive. This fills in the 2 available 5.25 bays and leaves room under for the board and cables.
			**(ICY DOCK MN's: MB994SP-4S, MB994SP-4SB-1, or MB971SP-B 'DuoSwap dual multi-drive cage'.)

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	* The smaller low profile compact box limits expansion card height and sata header access when using a full size 3.5 Hard Drive (HD).		* The smaller low profile compact box limits expansion card height and sata header access when using a full size 3.5 Hard Drive (HD).
	**<small> It would be better to use '4' 2.5 laptop drives with a ICY DOCK internal multi-bay 5.25 to 2.5 (4 in 1) Hot-Swap Backplane RAID Cage in the bay above where the hard drive normally sits since the 3.5HD covers 3 of the 4 SATA ports when fully inserted.
	***This way you get 4 drives up above the board that you can RAID, and then use a PATA/IDE DVD drive. This fills in the 2 available 5.25 bays and leaves room under for the board and cables. (ICY DOCK MN's: MB994SP-4S, MB994SP-4SB-1, or MB971SP-B 'DuoSwap dual multi-drive cage'.)</small>

	* The [[Intel D915GRV]] has a limited number of expansion slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.		* The [[Intel D915GRV]] has a limited number of expansion slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.

	* The CLIENTPRO 365 / [[Intel D915GRV]] combo uses a somewhat unusual* power routing connection scheme where there is an extra 4pin molex on the board and the main power supply connection only uses a 20 pin connector in a 24 pin socket.		* The CLIENTPRO 365 / [[Intel D915GRV]] combo uses a somewhat unusual* power routing connection scheme where there is an extra 4pin molex on the board and the main power supply connection only uses a 20 pin connector in a 24 pin socket.


			== Workaround Suggestions ==
			* It would be better to use '4' 2.5 laptop drives with a Icy Dock MB994SP-4S Quad Bay 2.5" SATA/SAS Mobile Rack for use in a single 5.25" device bay above where the hard drive normally sits since using a 3.5HD in the factory location covers 3 of the 4 SATA ports when fully inserted.
			*This way you get 4 drives up above the board that you can RAID, and then use a PATA/IDE DVD drive. This fills in the 2 available 5.25 bays and leaves room under for the board and cables. (ICY DOCK MN's: MB994SP-4S, MB994SP-4SB-1, or MB971SP-B 'DuoSwap dual multi-drive cage'.)</small>


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	\|[[File:D915GRV-20-24-PwrCon.jpg\|thumb\|67px\|Do not use a 24 pin power connector!]]		\|[[File:D915GRV-20-24-PwrCon.jpg\|thumb\|67px\|Do not use a 24 pin power connector!]]
	\|[[File:CP365-HD-obstruction.jpg\|thumb\|331px\|HD Interference.]]		\|[[File:CP365-HD-obstruction.jpg\|thumb\|331px\|HD Interference.]]
			\|[[File:MB994SP-4S.jpg\|thumb\|278px\|ICY DOCK MB994SP-4S]]
	\|}		\|}

	Visit the [[Intel D915GRV]] page for more details.		Visit the [[Intel D915GRV]] page for more details.
	--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)		--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

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	* The smaller low profile compact box limits expansion card height and sata header access when using a full size 3.5 Hard Drive (HD).		* The smaller low profile compact box limits expansion card height and sata header access when using a full size 3.5 Hard Drive (HD).
	**<small> It would be better to use '4' 2.5 laptop drives with a ICY DOCK internal multi-bay 5.25 to 2.5 (4 in 1) Hot-Swap Backplane RAID Cage in the bay above where the hard drive normally sits since the 3.5HD covers 3 of the 4 SATA ports when fully inserted.		**<small> It would be better to use '4' 2.5 laptop drives with a ICY DOCK internal multi-bay 5.25 to 2.5 (4 in 1) Hot-Swap Backplane RAID Cage in the bay above where the hard drive normally sits since the 3.5HD covers 3 of the 4 SATA ports when fully inserted.
	***This way you get 4 drives up above the board that you can RAID, and then use a PATA/IDE DVD drive. This fills in the 2 available 5.25 bays and leaves room under for the board and cables. (ICY DOCK MN's: MB994SP-4S, MB994SP-4SB-1, or MB971SP-B 'DuoSwap dual multi-drive cage'.</small>		***This way you get 4 drives up above the board that you can RAID, and then use a PATA/IDE DVD drive. This fills in the 2 available 5.25 bays and leaves room under for the board and cables. (ICY DOCK MN's: MB994SP-4S, MB994SP-4SB-1, or MB971SP-B 'DuoSwap dual multi-drive cage'.)</small>

	* The [[Intel D915GRV]] has a limited number of expansion slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.		* The [[Intel D915GRV]] has a limited number of expansion slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.

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-CLIENTPRO 365 machines have been prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a proprietary mix-up.<br>
+CLIENTPRO 365 and other MPC models can be prevalent on eBay, Craigslist, and other avenues at times if you are interested in finding these workhorses. (2012)
-*'''Pros:'''
+Judging from Google searches; Most people (Windows users) do not know what to do with them as they are a proprietary mix-up where support and drivers for Windows are virtually non-existent. Especially since MPC is defunct.
-[[File:Intel D915GRV-02.jpg|thumb|125px|right|*Unusual power connection, where both 4-pin sockets are connected and the 20/24 is using only the 20 pin.]]
+However;
 --RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

Rjbradlow at 19:21, 23 April 2012

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	CLIENTPRO 365 machines have been prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a proprietary mix-up.<br>		CLIENTPRO 365 machines have been prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a proprietary mix-up.<br>

Rjbradlow at 09:20, 23 April 2012

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	*'''Cons:'''		*'''Cons:'''
	** The smaller desktop is a low profile box which limits expansion card height.		** The smaller desktop is a low profile compact box which limits expansion card height and sata header access when using a full size 3.5 HD.
	** The [[Intel D915GRV]] is limited on slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.		** The [[Intel D915GRV]] has a limited number of expansion slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.
	** The CLIENTPRO 365's [[Intel D915GRV]] ~~has~~ unusual* power routing and connection ~~scheme~~.		** The CLIENTPRO 365 / [[Intel D915GRV]] use a somewhat unusual* power routing connection scheme where there is an extra 4pin molex on the board and the main power supply connection only uses a 20 pin connector in a 24 pin socket.


	--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)		--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

Rjbradlow at 09:12, 23 April 2012

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	However, We cannot say that for the OS in which it was originally designed since you would need special drivers that do not come with XP.		However, We cannot say that for the OS in which it was originally designed since you would need special drivers that do not come with XP.

	The 365 is a impressive P4 (socket 775) machine that shipped with a 3-3.2GHz HT P4 mounted on a decent Intel® 900 series board. <br>		*'''Pros:'''
	The CLIENTPRO 365~~'s [[Intel D915GRV]] has unusual* power routing~~ and ~~connection scheme~~.		** The 365 is a impressive P4 (socket 775) machine that shipped with a 3-3.2GHz HT P4 mounted on a decent Intel® 900 series board.<br>
			** It usually can be had at a great price for budget conscious shoppers.
			** The CLIENTPRO 365 came in two configurations; A Mid-Tower and a Low-Profile Desktop.

	[[File:Intel D915GRV-02.jpg\|thumb\|125px\|right\|*Unusual power connection, where both 4-pin sockets are connected and the 20/24 is using only the 20 pin.]]		[[File:Intel D915GRV-02.jpg\|thumb\|125px\|right\|*Unusual power connection, where both 4-pin sockets are connected and the 20/24 is using only the 20 pin.]]


	~~The CLIENTPRO 365 came in two configurations; A Mid-Tower and a Low-Profile Desktop.~~

	*'''Cons:'''		*'''Cons:'''
	** 1. The smaller desktop is a low profile box which limits expansion card height.		** The smaller desktop is a low profile box which limits expansion card height.
	** 2. The [[Intel D915GRV]] is limited on slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.		** The [[Intel D915GRV]] is limited on slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.
			** The CLIENTPRO 365's [[Intel D915GRV]] has unusual* power routing and connection scheme.


	--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)		--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

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	CLIENTPRO 365 machines have been prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a proprietary mix-up, Support and drivers are virtually non-existent, especially since MPC is no longer in operation.		CLIENTPRO 365 machines have been prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a proprietary mix-up.<br>
	But, Hail to Linux for cracking the hardware OOTB. No Worries, it just works.		Support and drivers are virtually non-existent, especially since MPC is no longer in operation. <br>
			But, Hail to the Linux Devs for cracking the hardware and giving a nice welcome OOTB experience. No Worries, it just works. <br>
			However, We cannot say that for the OS in which it was originally designed since you would need special drivers that do not come with XP.

	The 365 is a impressive P4 machine ~~since it has~~ a ~~socket 775~~ 3-3.2GHz HT P4 mounted on a decent Intel® 900 series board. ~~[[Intel D915GRV]]~~		The 365 is a impressive P4 (socket 775) machine that shipped with a 3-3.2GHz HT P4 mounted on a decent Intel® 900 series board. <br>
	The CLIENTPRO 365's [[Intel D915GRV]] has unusual* power routing and connection scheme.		The CLIENTPRO 365's [[Intel D915GRV]] has unusual* power routing and connection scheme.
	[[File:Intel D915GRV-02.jpg\|thumb\|125px\|right\|*Unusual power connection, where both 4-pin sockets are connected and the 20/24 is using only the 20 pin.]]		[[File:Intel D915GRV-02.jpg\|thumb\|125px\|right\|*Unusual power connection, where both 4-pin sockets are connected and the 20/24 is using only the 20 pin.]]

Rjbradlow at 08:58, 23 April 2012

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	~~CLIENTPRO 365's I have noticed that there is no reference to this hardware here, so I decided to see how things go and begin writing about them~~.		[[File:Clientpro365 front.gif]]

	~~These machines are prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a rare breed, especially since MPC is no longer in operation.~~
	~~So; support and drivers are very limited if non-existent, unless you count mpcdrivers dot com. Which I have had no luck with.~~

	~~The 414's came without power adapters so I~~ have not ~~played~~ with them ~~yet~~, ~~but they do look promising~~ and ~~adapters~~ are ~~available on eBay and other sites~~.		CLIENTPRO 365 machines have been prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a proprietary mix-up, Support and drivers are virtually non-existent, especially since MPC is no longer in operation.
	The 365~~'s are very~~ impressive ~~3GHz~~ HT P4's on a decent Intel® board ~~<small>(Which I am currently writing a page about and will link here~~.~~)</small> although these MPC~~'s ~~are proprietary with there~~ unusual* power routing~~, network,~~ and ~~video chips~~. [[File:Intel D915GRV-02.jpg\|thumb\|125px\|right\|*Unusual power connection, where both 4-pin sockets are connected and the 20/24 is using only the 20 pin.]]		But, Hail to Linux for cracking the hardware OOTB. No Worries, it just works.
	~~This is why so many people are having difficulty configuring their products.~~
	~~This is good~~ in a ~~way since that difficulty keeps the prices down to an awesome level.~~		The 365 is a impressive P4 machine since it has a socket 775 3-3.2GHz HT P4 mounted on a decent Intel® 900 series board. [[Intel D915GRV]]
	~~<small>(I have 8 machines on a modest budget~~.~~)</small>~~		The CLIENTPRO 365's [[Intel D915GRV]] has unusual* power routing and connection scheme.
			[[File:Intel D915GRV-02.jpg\|thumb\|125px\|right\|*Unusual power connection, where both 4-pin sockets are connected and the 20/24 is using only the 20 pin.]]


			The CLIENTPRO 365 came in two configurations; A Mid-Tower and a Low-Profile Desktop.

	My first experience was naturally with the 365 since it has a fairly standard PC chassis and PSU for the most part.* <br>(*Sort of traditional; comes in 2 flavours: Mid tower and a smaller Desktop which I have. )
	*'''Cons:'''		*'''Cons:'''
	** 1. The smaller desktop is a low profile box which limits expansion card height.		** 1. The smaller desktop is a low profile box which limits expansion card height.
	** 2. The ~~board has~~ limited slots ~~on both models afaik.~~		** 2. The [[Intel D915GRV]] is limited on slots: 1 PCI Express 1x16, 2 PCI, and 1 PCIE.

	~~I threw in a WD 320GB and a 1GB ram stick then loaded Winblows XP pro and tried Ubuntu 12.04 in a dual boot config.~~

	~~I started reading about LinuxMCE today and thought these machines would be perfect for such a task.~~
	~~A little disturbed about the driver issue, I later read on this site that 8.10 was the latest stable release~~, ~~which got me thinking...~~
	~~Yep~~, ~~these are older machines~~ and ~~the latest Ubuntu releases are focusing more on the newer hardware, let me dig through my archives.~~
	~~I dug out an old 8.04 386 kubuntu release and I am currently running it in live mode; Wow!~~
	~~As I suspected; Everything works without a hitch. Right OOTB, a marriage made in heaven~~.

	~~So I will clean up this page and give you very specific hardware info on the 365 soon.~~
	~~As of right now it looks like LinuxMCE and the MPC CLINETPRO 365 with [[Intel D915GRV]] are going to get along great.~~
	~~These boards can handle up to 4gb of ram and have a LGA775 socket with a mean cooler & fan combo.~~

	--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)		--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

Rjbradlow: Thwe

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Thwe

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	~~This just in and more to follow as I explore the full hardware compatibility for these machines.~~		CLIENTPRO 365's I have noticed that there is no reference to this hardware here, so I decided to see how things go and begin writing about them.

	~~I have 2 MPC~~ CLIENTPRO 365's ~~and 6 MPC CLIENTPRO AIO 414's and~~ I have noticed that there is no reference to this hardware here, so I decided to see how things go and begin writing about them.

	These machines are prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a rare breed, especially since MPC is no longer in operation.		These machines are prevalent on eBay and many people do not know what to do with them as they are a rare breed, especially since MPC is no longer in operation.
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	*'''Cons:'''		*'''Cons:'''
	** 1. The smaller desktop is a low profile box which limits expansion card height.		** 1. The smaller desktop is a low profile box which limits expansion card height.
	** 2. The board has limited slots on both models afaik~~. <small>(Details will be on the MB page I am currently writing.)</small>~~		** 2. The board has limited slots on both models afaik.


	~~I threw in a WD 320GB and a 1GB ram stick then loaded Winblows XP pro and tried Ubuntu 12.04 in a dual boot config. <br>~~
	~~The network and audio <del>do</del> <sup>did</sup> not work Out Of The Box (OOTB) in <del>either instance.</del>~~
	~~'''Update:''' It seems as though 12.04 has healed itself overnight and now is the victor, working flawlessly OOTB.~~
	~~Which leaves Winblows XP sucking dirt. Go Figure, the machine was designed for it and is not supported natively~~.

	~~After~~ a ~~little research I tracked down some drivers~~ and ~~got the network to run~~ in XP.		I threw in a WD 320GB and a 1GB ram stick then loaded Winblows XP pro and tried Ubuntu 12.04 in a dual boot config.

	I started reading about LinuxMCE today and thought these machines would be perfect for such a task.		I started reading about LinuxMCE today and thought these machines would be perfect for such a task.
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	So I will clean up this page and give you very specific hardware info on the 365 soon.		So I will clean up this page and give you very specific hardware info on the 365 soon.
	As of right now it looks like the 365 with ~~its intel~~ D915GRV are going to get along great.		As of right now it looks like LinuxMCE and the MPC CLINETPRO 365 with [[Intel D915GRV]] are going to get along great.
	These boards can handle up to 4gb of ram and have a LGA775 socket with a mean cooler & fan combo.		These boards can handle up to 4gb of ram and have a LGA775 socket with a mean cooler & fan combo.

	~~More to come soon.~~		--RJBradlow 10:30, 23 April 2012 (CEST)