http://wiki.linuxmce.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Tkmedia&feedformat=atomLinuxMCE - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T18:21:21ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.24.1http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=User:Tkmedia&diff=29493User:Tkmedia2012-02-15T05:13:32Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Other Goodies */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: User Setups]] <br />
[[Category: Zwave_Setups]]<br />
[[Category: Telecom_Setups]]<br />
[[Category: Surveillance Camera Setups]]<br />
<br />
<br />
=Setup=<br />
''Presently using 0810 Alpha7''<br />
==Core==<br />
<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M3N78-WS AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Dual on-board GB NIC<br />
*HDD: WD 320 SATA2 (internal)<br />
*DVD Drive: Generic IDE DVDROM<br />
*TV Tuner: [[Silicondust HDHomeRun]]<br />
<br />
==MD #1 Bed Room==<br />
MSI Media Live<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display Old RCA 32" STD Def<br />
*Remote MCE, Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
<br />
== MD #2 Living Room==<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M2N68-VM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Sony CRT Hi-def 1080i<br />
*Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone MD based - Solo mic<br />
== MD #3 Den==<br />
*Motherboard: Zotac Ion NVIDIA GeForce 9400 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: Intel ATOM 1.3<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Olevia Hi-def 720p<br />
**Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone MD based - Solo mic<br />
== MD #4 Bonus Room==<br />
*Motherboard: MSI k9gm2 AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 42" Sharp Hi-def 1080p Rs232 controlled plug an play<br />
*Amp NAD T765 RS232 ... Created template Now plug n play in 0810<br />
*Other Roku Net-flix Player<br />
*Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
<br />
==Bath Room==<br />
Squeeze Boom Box<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
==Garage==<br />
Happauge MVP Running squeeze client<br />
<br />
==Lighting==<br />
*Controller Aeon usb Z-stick<br />
4 Intermatic switches<br />
<br />
==Security==<br />
Aeon labs Door/Window sensor<br />
Generic Ip camera<br />
==NAS==<br />
*Nas FreeNas<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M2n-vm<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Storage 3 Ware side car 3tb Raid 5 hot plug<br />
<br />
==Other Storage==<br />
Sony XLb3 200 CD/DVD Changer<br />
<br />
==Other Goodies==<br />
N800<br />
HDPVR<br />
<br />
HDMI audio fix for GT210<br />
nano /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf<br />
add "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=0 probe_mask=0xffff,0xfff2 index=1" (without quotes)<br />
<br />
save and reboot<br />
<br />
==Network==<br />
*Switch #1 Trendnet 16 port Gb Switch<br />
*Switch #2 HP Procurve 1400 8 port Gb<br />
<br />
==Telecom==<br />
VoicePulse<br />
<br />
<br />
==Development Environment==<br />
ESXI 4.0 server<br />
(old MD)<br />
<br />
*Motherboard: Abit ANm2hd<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Storage 120gb boot drive<br />
*Storage NFS mount to Freenas</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=User:Tkmedia&diff=29492User:Tkmedia2012-02-15T05:06:48Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Other Goodies */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: User Setups]] <br />
[[Category: Zwave_Setups]]<br />
[[Category: Telecom_Setups]]<br />
[[Category: Surveillance Camera Setups]]<br />
<br />
<br />
=Setup=<br />
''Presently using 0810 Alpha7''<br />
==Core==<br />
<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M3N78-WS AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Dual on-board GB NIC<br />
*HDD: WD 320 SATA2 (internal)<br />
*DVD Drive: Generic IDE DVDROM<br />
*TV Tuner: [[Silicondust HDHomeRun]]<br />
<br />
==MD #1 Bed Room==<br />
MSI Media Live<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display Old RCA 32" STD Def<br />
*Remote MCE, Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
<br />
== MD #2 Living Room==<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M2N68-VM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Sony CRT Hi-def 1080i<br />
*Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone MD based - Solo mic<br />
== MD #3 Den==<br />
*Motherboard: Zotac Ion NVIDIA GeForce 9400 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: Intel ATOM 1.3<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Olevia Hi-def 720p<br />
**Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone MD based - Solo mic<br />
== MD #4 Bonus Room==<br />
*Motherboard: MSI k9gm2 AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 42" Sharp Hi-def 1080p Rs232 controlled plug an play<br />
*Amp NAD T765 RS232 ... Created template Now plug n play in 0810<br />
*Other Roku Net-flix Player<br />
*Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
<br />
==Bath Room==<br />
Squeeze Boom Box<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
==Garage==<br />
Happauge MVP Running squeeze client<br />
<br />
==Lighting==<br />
*Controller Aeon usb Z-stick<br />
4 Intermatic switches<br />
<br />
==Security==<br />
Aeon labs Door/Window sensor<br />
Generic Ip camera<br />
==NAS==<br />
*Nas FreeNas<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M2n-vm<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Storage 3 Ware side car 3tb Raid 5 hot plug<br />
<br />
==Other Storage==<br />
Sony XLb3 200 CD/DVD Changer<br />
<br />
==Other Goodies==<br />
N800<br />
HDPVR<br />
<br />
HDMI audio fix for GT210<br />
nano /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf<br />
add "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=0 probe_mask=0xffff,0xfff2 index=1"<br />
<br />
save and reboot<br />
<br />
==Network==<br />
*Switch #1 Trendnet 16 port Gb Switch<br />
*Switch #2 HP Procurve 1400 8 port Gb<br />
<br />
==Telecom==<br />
VoicePulse<br />
<br />
<br />
==Development Environment==<br />
ESXI 4.0 server<br />
(old MD)<br />
<br />
*Motherboard: Abit ANm2hd<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Storage 120gb boot drive<br />
*Storage NFS mount to Freenas</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=User:Tkmedia&diff=22349User:Tkmedia2010-02-10T17:03:56Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category:User Setups]] <br />
=Setup=<br />
''Presently using 0810 Alpha7''<br />
==Core==<br />
<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M3N78-WS AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Dual on-board GB NIC<br />
*HDD: WD 320 SATA2 (internal)<br />
*DVD Drive: Generic IDE DVDROM<br />
*TV Tuner: [[Silicondust HDHomeRun]]<br />
<br />
==MD #1 Bed Room==<br />
MSI Media Live<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display Old RCA 32" STD Def<br />
*Remote MCE, Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
<br />
== MD #2 Living Room==<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M2N68-VM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Sony CRT Hi-def 1080i<br />
*Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone MD based - Solo mic<br />
== MD #3 Den==<br />
*Motherboard: Zotac Ion NVIDIA GeForce 9400 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: Intel ATOM 1.3<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Olevia Hi-def 720p<br />
**Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone MD based - Solo mic<br />
== MD #4 Bonus Room==<br />
*Motherboard: MSI k9gm2 AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 42" Sharp Hi-def 1080p Rs232 controlled plug an play<br />
*Amp NAD T765 RS232 ... Created template Now plug n play in 0810<br />
*Other Roku Net-flix Player<br />
*Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
<br />
==Bath Room==<br />
Squeeze Boom Box<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
==Garage==<br />
Happauge MVP Running squeeze client<br />
<br />
==Lighting==<br />
*Controller Aeon usb Z-stick<br />
4 Intermatic switches<br />
<br />
==Security==<br />
Aeon labs Door/Window sensor<br />
Generic Ip camera<br />
==NAS==<br />
*Nas FreeNas<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M2n-vm<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Storage 3 Ware side car 3tb Raid 5 hot plug<br />
<br />
==Other Storage==<br />
Sony XLb3 200 CD/DVD Changer<br />
<br />
==Other Goodies==<br />
N800<br />
HDPVR <br />
<br />
==Network==<br />
*Switch #1 Trendnet 16 port Gb Switch<br />
*Switch #2 HP Procurve 1400 8 port Gb<br />
<br />
==Telecom==<br />
VoicePulse<br />
<br />
<br />
==Development Environment==<br />
ESXI 4.0 server<br />
(old MD)<br />
<br />
*Motherboard: Abit ANm2hd<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Storage 120gb boot drive<br />
*Storage NFS mount to Freenas</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Building_LinuxMCE_0810&diff=22244Building LinuxMCE 08102010-02-03T23:59:44Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Verify apt's list of repositories */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[category: tutorials]]<br />
[[category: programmer's Guide]]<br />
{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Setting up a chroot environment==<br />
These steps are optional as you can just build on a clean Kubuntu-8.10 install. But required if you want to build using an existing 0810 core without ruining it's run-time database.<br />
<br />
Start with becoming root as the following steps will need to be done using super user privileges.<br />
sudo su -<br />
<br />
===Create the environment===<br />
apt-get install debootstrap<br />
debootstrap --arch i386 intrepid /media/kubuntu-8.10/<br />
<br />
===Steps after each reboot ===<br />
(Note: For First building, perform steps in the '''Getting Started''' section)<br />
====Mount required directories====<br />
mount --bind /dev /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/proc -t proc<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev/pts -t devpts<br />
<br />
====Change-root into the environment====<br />
chroot /media/kubuntu-8.10<br />
====Start MySQL Server====<br />
Do not execute the mysql start before doing the sed statement listed in the '''Installing needed packages section''' below to reconfigure MySQL.<br />
/etc/init.d/mysql start<br />
<br />
===Verify apt's list of repositories===<br />
Make sure ''/etc/apt/sources.list'' (inside the chroot) contains something very similar to:<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse <br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe multiverse<br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb <nowiki>http://www.e-tobi.net/vdr-experimental/ sid base<br />
<br />
<br />
The following line is added to the sources.list during the prepare script and should not be added before. [[User:Posde|posde]]<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>debian.slimdevices.com/ stable main<br />
<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ intrepid release testing<br />
<br />
<br />
Add the Avenard GPG key<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install wget<br />
wget http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ubuntu-repos.key && sudo apt-key add ubuntu-repos.key && rm ubuntu-repos.key<br />
<br />
===Installing needed packages===<br />
'''Important!''' Perform these also '''after''' chrooting if you are building in a chrooted environment.<br />
<br />
If you get messages like ''/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory'', that meens that $LANG is set. Either clear the LANG or install the needed language pack (english given example given in the code-snip below).<br />
<br />
(Leave the root password for MySQL empty.)<br />
apt-get update<br />
<br />
# Uncomment either of lines below if needed (see explanation above)<br />
#unset LANG<br />
#apt-get install language-pack-en-base<br />
<br />
apt-get dist-upgrade<br />
apt-get install aptitude openssh-client mysql-server<br />
<br />
Reconfigure MySQL to not open a TCP-IP network port: (only needed if you are building in a chrooted environment)<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
==Building from source==<br />
For a more in detail description of all the steps involved see [[Building LinuxMCE 0804]]<br />
<br />
Currently the focus is on getting the following to work completely.<br />
<br />
===Getting started===<br />
You should only have to do this part once initially.<br />
<br />
The following steps will require superuser privileges, and it is '''always''' wise to refresh the packages list beforehand.<br />
sudo su -<br />
apt-get update<br />
<br />
====Obtaining the build scripts====<br />
apt-get install subversion<br />
svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
<br />
====Installing the build scripts====<br />
cd Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
./install.sh<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
====Configuring the build scripts====<br />
cat >/etc/lmce-build/builder.custom.conf <<EOF<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to avoid DVD build step[s]<br />
do_not_build_sl_dvd="yes"<br />
do_not_build_dl_dvd="yes"<br />
<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to create fake win32 binaries<br />
win32_create_fake="yes"<br />
<br />
# Point to the development sqlCVS server for 0810<br />
sqlcvs_host="schema.linuxmce.org"<br />
EOF<br />
<br />
===Preparing for build===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
The preparation steps one at a time (recommended):<br />
prepare-scripts/install-build-pkgs.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd1-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/create-diskless-debootstrap.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/preseed-build-pkgs.sh<br />
<br />
Or, you could do them all in one go with:<br />
./prepare.sh<br />
<br />
===Building from source===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
All the build steps can be executed seperately (recommended at least the first time):<br />
build-scripts/checkout-svn.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-win32bins.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-replacements.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-makerelease.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-databases.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh<br />
build-scripts/get-closed-source-debs.sh<br />
build-scripts/create-repo.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd1-build.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd2-build.sh<br />
<br />
Or the following script will run them all:<br />
./build.sh<br />
<br />
== Using the build's output ==<br />
The build.sh script puts all created deb-files under /var/www. Setup a web server to point to that directory. <br />
sudo apt-get install apache2<br />
<br />
In the machine, where you want to test the build, follow the instructions on using the alpha build. After the step pre-install-from-repo.sh, go into /etc/apt/sources.list, and replace the deb.linuxmce.org line with<br />
deb <ip-address-of-your-builder> ./<br />
and re-run apt-get update<br />
You will find, that two packages are missing. Get those two packages from the regular repository and put them into the builders /var/www directory<br />
<br />
pushd /var/www<br />
wget http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha2/binary-all/libft-perl_1.0_all.deb<br />
wget http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha-latest/binary-all/mail-transport-agent_1.0_all.deb <br />
dpkg-scanpackages . >Packages<br />
gzip -c Packages > Packages.gz<br />
popd<br />
<br />
Now, on your new or test core, execute another apt-get update, and you are good to go for the mce-install.sh<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
If you want to speed up building on a multi-core machine, amend build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh and change the call to MakeRelease to include -j <number of cores>. Before executing the build, copy libresolution.so from an older build to your lib dir, and run ldconfig.<br />
<br />
=== Without -j 2 ===<br />
23:36:44 Compiling and building packages<br />
01:42:50 *** STEP: Download closed source debs<br />
<br />
Total: roughly 2h 6minutes for compiling<br />
<br />
=== With -j 2 ===<br />
13:13:44 Compiling and building packages<br />
14:51:56 *** STEP: Download closed source debs<br />
<br />
Total: roughly 1h 38minutes for compiling<br />
<br />
=== Error during prepare step ===<br />
If you get an error during the prepare stage<br />
E: Couldn't find package libvdpau-dev<br />
make sure to have avenard repo in your builders sources.list<br />
<br />
deb http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ intrepid release testing<br />
<br />
<br />
=== Virgin Kubuntu 8.10 builder (no chroot) notes ===<br />
-As pointed out above, do not run the command below, it is not needed when you aren't chrooted.<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
<br />
- After you reboot, you will notice that KDE mysteriously vanished, and you will go to a gnome desktop. I'm not sure why this is, but it does not seem to affect the builder any.<br />
<br />
<br />
- If you want to run this builder headless (or just want to ability to ssh in to it), then you must configure it for ssh access by installing an ssh server<br />
sudo apt-get install openssh-server</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Building_LinuxMCE_0810&diff=22243Building LinuxMCE 08102010-02-03T23:59:02Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Verify apt's list of repositories */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[category: tutorials]]<br />
[[category: programmer's Guide]]<br />
{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Setting up a chroot environment==<br />
These steps are optional as you can just build on a clean Kubuntu-8.10 install. But required if you want to build using an existing 0810 core without ruining it's run-time database.<br />
<br />
Start with becoming root as the following steps will need to be done using super user privileges.<br />
sudo su -<br />
<br />
===Create the environment===<br />
apt-get install debootstrap<br />
debootstrap --arch i386 intrepid /media/kubuntu-8.10/<br />
<br />
===Steps after each reboot ===<br />
(Note: For First building, perform steps in the '''Getting Started''' section)<br />
====Mount required directories====<br />
mount --bind /dev /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/proc -t proc<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev/pts -t devpts<br />
<br />
====Change-root into the environment====<br />
chroot /media/kubuntu-8.10<br />
====Start MySQL Server====<br />
Do not execute the mysql start before doing the sed statement listed in the '''Installing needed packages section''' below to reconfigure MySQL.<br />
/etc/init.d/mysql start<br />
<br />
===Verify apt's list of repositories===<br />
Make sure ''/etc/apt/sources.list'' (inside the chroot) contains something very similar to:<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse <br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe multiverse<br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb http://www.e-tobi.net/vdr-experimental/ sid base<br />
<br />
<br />
The following line is added to the sources.list during the prepare script and should not be added before. [[User:Posde|posde]]<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>debian.slimdevices.com/ stable main<br />
<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ intrepid release testing<br />
<br />
<br />
Add the Avenard GPG key<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install wget<br />
wget http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ubuntu-repos.key && sudo apt-key add ubuntu-repos.key && rm ubuntu-repos.key<br />
<br />
===Installing needed packages===<br />
'''Important!''' Perform these also '''after''' chrooting if you are building in a chrooted environment.<br />
<br />
If you get messages like ''/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory'', that meens that $LANG is set. Either clear the LANG or install the needed language pack (english given example given in the code-snip below).<br />
<br />
(Leave the root password for MySQL empty.)<br />
apt-get update<br />
<br />
# Uncomment either of lines below if needed (see explanation above)<br />
#unset LANG<br />
#apt-get install language-pack-en-base<br />
<br />
apt-get dist-upgrade<br />
apt-get install aptitude openssh-client mysql-server<br />
<br />
Reconfigure MySQL to not open a TCP-IP network port: (only needed if you are building in a chrooted environment)<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
==Building from source==<br />
For a more in detail description of all the steps involved see [[Building LinuxMCE 0804]]<br />
<br />
Currently the focus is on getting the following to work completely.<br />
<br />
===Getting started===<br />
You should only have to do this part once initially.<br />
<br />
The following steps will require superuser privileges, and it is '''always''' wise to refresh the packages list beforehand.<br />
sudo su -<br />
apt-get update<br />
<br />
====Obtaining the build scripts====<br />
apt-get install subversion<br />
svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
<br />
====Installing the build scripts====<br />
cd Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
./install.sh<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
====Configuring the build scripts====<br />
cat >/etc/lmce-build/builder.custom.conf <<EOF<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to avoid DVD build step[s]<br />
do_not_build_sl_dvd="yes"<br />
do_not_build_dl_dvd="yes"<br />
<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to create fake win32 binaries<br />
win32_create_fake="yes"<br />
<br />
# Point to the development sqlCVS server for 0810<br />
sqlcvs_host="schema.linuxmce.org"<br />
EOF<br />
<br />
===Preparing for build===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
The preparation steps one at a time (recommended):<br />
prepare-scripts/install-build-pkgs.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd1-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/create-diskless-debootstrap.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/preseed-build-pkgs.sh<br />
<br />
Or, you could do them all in one go with:<br />
./prepare.sh<br />
<br />
===Building from source===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
All the build steps can be executed seperately (recommended at least the first time):<br />
build-scripts/checkout-svn.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-win32bins.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-replacements.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-makerelease.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-databases.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh<br />
build-scripts/get-closed-source-debs.sh<br />
build-scripts/create-repo.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd1-build.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd2-build.sh<br />
<br />
Or the following script will run them all:<br />
./build.sh<br />
<br />
== Using the build's output ==<br />
The build.sh script puts all created deb-files under /var/www. Setup a web server to point to that directory. <br />
sudo apt-get install apache2<br />
<br />
In the machine, where you want to test the build, follow the instructions on using the alpha build. After the step pre-install-from-repo.sh, go into /etc/apt/sources.list, and replace the deb.linuxmce.org line with<br />
deb <ip-address-of-your-builder> ./<br />
and re-run apt-get update<br />
You will find, that two packages are missing. Get those two packages from the regular repository and put them into the builders /var/www directory<br />
<br />
pushd /var/www<br />
wget http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha2/binary-all/libft-perl_1.0_all.deb<br />
wget http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha-latest/binary-all/mail-transport-agent_1.0_all.deb <br />
dpkg-scanpackages . >Packages<br />
gzip -c Packages > Packages.gz<br />
popd<br />
<br />
Now, on your new or test core, execute another apt-get update, and you are good to go for the mce-install.sh<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
If you want to speed up building on a multi-core machine, amend build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh and change the call to MakeRelease to include -j <number of cores>. Before executing the build, copy libresolution.so from an older build to your lib dir, and run ldconfig.<br />
<br />
=== Without -j 2 ===<br />
23:36:44 Compiling and building packages<br />
01:42:50 *** STEP: Download closed source debs<br />
<br />
Total: roughly 2h 6minutes for compiling<br />
<br />
=== With -j 2 ===<br />
13:13:44 Compiling and building packages<br />
14:51:56 *** STEP: Download closed source debs<br />
<br />
Total: roughly 1h 38minutes for compiling<br />
<br />
=== Error during prepare step ===<br />
If you get an error during the prepare stage<br />
E: Couldn't find package libvdpau-dev<br />
make sure to have avenard repo in your builders sources.list<br />
<br />
deb http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ intrepid release testing<br />
<br />
<br />
=== Virgin Kubuntu 8.10 builder (no chroot) notes ===<br />
-As pointed out above, do not run the command below, it is not needed when you aren't chrooted.<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
<br />
- After you reboot, you will notice that KDE mysteriously vanished, and you will go to a gnome desktop. I'm not sure why this is, but it does not seem to affect the builder any.<br />
<br />
<br />
- If you want to run this builder headless (or just want to ability to ssh in to it), then you must configure it for ssh access by installing an ssh server<br />
sudo apt-get install openssh-server</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Building_LinuxMCE_0810&diff=22230Building LinuxMCE 08102010-02-03T05:37:13Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Verify apt's list of repositories */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[category: tutorials]]<br />
[[category: programmer's Guide]]<br />
{| align="right"<br />
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|}<br />
<br />
==Setting up a chroot environment==<br />
These steps are optional as you can just build on a clean Kubuntu-8.10 install. But required if you want to build using an existing 0810 core without ruining it's run-time database.<br />
<br />
Start with becoming root as the following steps will need to be done using super user privileges.<br />
sudo su -<br />
<br />
===Create the environment===<br />
apt-get install debootstrap<br />
debootstrap --arch i386 intrepid /media/kubuntu-8.10/<br />
<br />
===Steps after each reboot ===<br />
(Note: For First building, perform steps in the '''Getting Started''' section)<br />
====Mount required directories====<br />
mount --bind /dev /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/proc -t proc<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev/pts -t devpts<br />
<br />
====Change-root into the environment====<br />
chroot /media/kubuntu-8.10<br />
====Start MySQL Server====<br />
Do not execute the mysql start before doing the sed statement listed in the '''Installing needed packages section''' below to reconfigure MySQL.<br />
/etc/init.d/mysql start<br />
<br />
===Verify apt's list of repositories===<br />
Make sure ''/etc/apt/sources.list'' (inside the chroot) contains something very similar to:<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse <br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe multiverse<br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''us.archive.ubuntu.com''/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb-src <nowiki>http://</nowiki>security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
<br />
The following line is added to the sources.list during the prepare script and should not be added before. [[User:Posde|posde]]<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>debian.slimdevices.com/ stable main<br />
<br />
deb <nowiki>http://</nowiki>www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ intrepid release testing<br />
<br />
<br />
Add the Avenard GPG key<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install wget<br />
wget http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ubuntu-repos.key && sudo apt-key add ubuntu-repos.key && rm ubuntu-repos.key<br />
<br />
===Installing needed packages===<br />
'''Important!''' Perform these also '''after''' chrooting if you are building in a chrooted environment.<br />
<br />
If you get messages like ''/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory'', that meens that $LANG is set. Either clear the LANG or install the needed language pack (english given example given in the code-snip below).<br />
<br />
(Leave the root password for MySQL empty.)<br />
apt-get update<br />
<br />
# Uncomment either of lines below if needed (see explanation above)<br />
#unset LANG<br />
#apt-get install language-pack-en-base<br />
<br />
apt-get dist-upgrade<br />
apt-get install aptitude openssh-client mysql-server<br />
<br />
Reconfigure MySQL to not open a TCP-IP network port: (only needed if you are building in a chrooted environment)<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
==Building from source==<br />
For a more in detail description of all the steps involved see [[Building LinuxMCE 0804]]<br />
<br />
Currently the focus is on getting the following to work completely.<br />
<br />
===Getting started===<br />
You should only have to do this part once initially.<br />
<br />
The following steps will require superuser privileges, and it is '''always''' wise to refresh the packages list beforehand.<br />
sudo su -<br />
apt-get update<br />
<br />
====Obtaining the build scripts====<br />
apt-get install subversion<br />
svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
<br />
====Installing the build scripts====<br />
cd Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
./install.sh<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
====Configuring the build scripts====<br />
cat >/etc/lmce-build/builder.custom.conf <<EOF<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to avoid DVD build step[s]<br />
do_not_build_sl_dvd="yes"<br />
do_not_build_dl_dvd="yes"<br />
<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to create fake win32 binaries<br />
win32_create_fake="yes"<br />
<br />
# Point to the development sqlCVS server for 0810<br />
sqlcvs_host="schema.linuxmce.org"<br />
EOF<br />
<br />
===Preparing for build===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
The preparation steps one at a time (recommended):<br />
prepare-scripts/install-build-pkgs.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd1-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/create-diskless-debootstrap.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/preseed-build-pkgs.sh<br />
<br />
Or, you could do them all in one go with:<br />
./prepare.sh<br />
<br />
===Building from source===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
All the build steps can be executed seperately (recommended at least the first time):<br />
build-scripts/checkout-svn.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-win32bins.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-replacements.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-makerelease.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-databases.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh<br />
build-scripts/get-closed-source-debs.sh<br />
build-scripts/create-repo.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd1-build.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd2-build.sh<br />
<br />
Or the following script will run them all:<br />
./build.sh<br />
<br />
== Using the build's output ==<br />
The build.sh script puts all created deb-files under /var/www. Setup a web server to point to that directory. <br />
sudo apt-get install apache2<br />
<br />
In the machine, where you want to test the build, follow the instructions on using the alpha build. After the step pre-install-from-repo.sh, go into /etc/apt/sources.list, and replace the deb.linuxmce.org line with<br />
deb <ip-address-of-your-builder> ./<br />
and re-run apt-get update<br />
You will find, that two packages are missing. Get those two packages from the regular repository and put them into the builders /var/www directory<br />
<br />
pushd /var/www<br />
wget http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha2/binary-all/libft-perl_1.0_all.deb<br />
wget http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha-latest/binary-all/mail-transport-agent_1.0_all.deb <br />
dpkg-scanpackages . >Packages<br />
gzip -c Packages > Packages.gz<br />
popd<br />
<br />
Now, on your new or test core, execute another apt-get update, and you are good to go for the mce-install.sh<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
If you want to speed up building on a multi-core machine, amend build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh and change the call to MakeRelease to include -j <number of cores>. Before executing the build, copy libresolution.so from an older build to your lib dir, and run ldconfig.<br />
<br />
=== Without -j 2 ===<br />
23:36:44 Compiling and building packages<br />
01:42:50 *** STEP: Download closed source debs<br />
<br />
Total: roughly 2h 6minutes for compiling<br />
<br />
=== With -j 2 ===<br />
13:13:44 Compiling and building packages<br />
14:51:56 *** STEP: Download closed source debs<br />
<br />
Total: roughly 1h 38minutes for compiling<br />
<br />
=== Error during prepare step ===<br />
If you get an error during the prepare stage<br />
E: Couldn't find package libvdpau-dev<br />
make sure to have avenard repo in your builders sources.list<br />
<br />
deb http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/ intrepid release testing<br />
<br />
<br />
=== Virgin Kubuntu 8.10 builder (no chroot) notes ===<br />
-As pointed out above, do not run the command below, it is not needed when you aren't chrooted.<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
<br />
- After you reboot, you will notice that KDE mysteriously vanished, and you will go to a gnome desktop. I'm not sure why this is, but it does not seem to affect the builder any.<br />
<br />
<br />
- If you want to run this builder headless (or just want to ability to ssh in to it), then you must configure it for ssh access by installing an ssh server<br />
sudo apt-get install openssh-server</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Where_to_Buy&diff=22143Where to Buy2010-01-19T07:21:30Z<p>Tkmedia: /* United States */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: Hardware| ]]<br />
{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
This is '''not''' meant as an endorsement, but the question of where to buy certain things pops up regularly. Some of this equipment can be hard to find locally, so help out and add your own suppliers to the list if they aren't already there and either way feel free to add a line with your experience. <br />
<br />
''Please add countries alphabetically, and append new stores to the bottom of the lists in order to keep things organized, thank you and good luck with that shopping list!''<br />
<br />
== Africa ==<br />
<br />
== America ==<br />
<br />
=== United States ===<br />
;'''Fiire''' ([http://www.fiire.com/ english]) :''The'' remote, and also core/media director hardware.<br /><br />
;'''Mi Casa Verde''' ([http://shop.micasaverde.com/ english]) :Z-Wave home Automation devices including a new Z-Wave USB interface + inclusion controller in one, and surveillance cameras. Also, a low-cost LinuxMCE-compatible core combined with a Wi-Fi access point.<br /><br />
;'''Smarthome''' ([http://wwww.smarthome.com english]) :Home Automation supplies including Insteon, X10, and Zwave and more custom components as well.<br /><br />
;'''Provantage''' ([http://www.provantage.com/ english]) :Computing parts and accessory superstore.<br /><br />
;'''NewEgg''' ([http://www.newegg.com/ english]) :Computing parts and accessories.<br /><br />
;'''Mini-ITX''' ([http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=27 english]) :Thin Clients utilizing their small motherboard technology.<br /><br />
;'''Smarthome-Products''' ([http://www.smarthome-products.com/s-15-z-wave.aspx english]) :Home Automation Products including Z-Wave, X10, and Insteon to make your everyday life safer, more convenient and more fun.<br /><br />
;'''lmcecompatible.com''' ([http://www.lmcecompatible.com english]) :LinuxMCE Compatible Systems and Accessories<br />
<br />
== Asia ==<br />
'''Automation At Home''' [[http://x10-hk.com/store/index.php English] [http://x10-hk.com/store/index.php?language=tc Chinese]]<br />
Sell PLCBUS Devices , X10 Devices , Marmitek Product , ship worldwide.<br />
<br />
== Australia ==<br />
;'''Static Ice''' ([http://www.staticice.com.au]) :By far the best "Best Price" site for several hundred different computer/electronics equipment retailers in Australia.<br />
<br />
== Europe ==<br />
<br />
=== Belgium ===<br />
;'''IntelliHome''' Domotica Shop ([http://www.intellihome.be/ multi]/[http://www.intellihome.be/english/home.asp english]/[http://www.intellihome.be/nederlands/home.asp dutch]/[http://www.intellihome.be/francais/home.asp french]/[http://www.intellihome.be/deutsch/home.asp german]) :Marmitek X10 Home Automation/Security Products, European shipping<br />
;'''Voipsolutions''' ([http://www.voipsolutions.be/ english]/[http://www.voipsolutions.be/language/fr french]/[http://www.voipsolutions.be/language/nl dutch]) :All kinds of VoIP related hardware solutions.<br />
<br />
=== Denmark ===<br />
;'''Seluxit'''<br />
:([http://www.seluxit.com english]) Z-wave products incl. <br />
:[http://shop.seluxit.com/catalog/product_info.php?currency=EUR&products_id=30 multi-sensor] [http://shop.seluxit.com/catalog/product_info.php?currency=EUR&products_id=29 usb homecontroller]<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''Innovus''' ([http://www.innovus.dk/ danish]/[http://www.innovus.eu english]) <br />
:Z-wave products<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''ElectronicHouseKeeper''' ([http://www.electronichousekeeper.com danish])<br />
:Their own line of Z-wave products<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''Homee''' ([http://www.homee.dk/index.php/en English])<br />
: A Shop with lots of products, new coming every week (almost)<br />
<br />
=== Germany ===<br />
;'''Schalterversand''' ([http://www.schalterversand.de german]) :Z-Wave switches and much more, cheap and fast.<br />
;'''DVBShop''' ([http://www.dvbshop.net english]) :Everything you need for DVB (Cable, Sattelite or Terrestrial) digital television, worldwide shipping.<br />
;'''Zwave4u''' ([http://www.zwave4u.de german]) <br />
:Z-wave products. Accepts Paypal.<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''Merten''' ([http://www.merten.de german]) :Own line of Z-wave products.<br />
;'''Firma ENS Elektronetshop''' ([http://www.elektronetshop.de german]) <br />
:Merten stuff <br />
:Best price found on Sep 9, 2008<br />
;'''Voltus Elektro Shop''' ([http://www.voltus.de german]) <br />
:Merten stuff <br />
:Also cheaper than official Merten prices, but I found service to be severely lacking (very, very unresponsive!). Summer 2008.<br />
;'''Duewi''' ([http://www.duewi.de german]) <br />
:They have their own line of Z-wave products.<br />
:No online shop.<br />
;'''FINE-BUY''' ([http://www.fine-buy.de/ german]) <br />
:They have some touchscreens.<br />
:the 12.1" (http://www.fine-buy.de/shop/product_info.php?cPath=3_30_64&products_id=159) works fine: [[Egalax-Touchscreen]]<br />
;'''EDI Shop''' ([http://www.edi-shop.de german]) <br />
:EnOcean home automation<br />
<br />
===Greece===<br />
;'''Z-Wave.gr''' ([http://www.zwave.gr/index.php?lang=en english] / [http://www.zwave.gr/index.php?lang=el greek])<br />
:A big range of Z-Wave products. High delivery rate, at least to Cyprus<br />
<br />
=== Italy ===<br />
;'''Z-wave Europe''' ([http://www.z-wave-europe.org/ italian]) :Z-wave product list for Europe and website links.<br />
<br />
=== Netherlands ===<br />
;'''ElekHomica''' ([http://www.elekhomica.nl/ dutch]/[http://www.elekhomica.nl/infopage2.php?language=nn english])<br />
:X10 and Zwave, even remote controlled curtainrail! EU shipping (curtainrail NL/BE only).<br />
:Quick and painless delivery.<br />
;'''ALTERNATE''' Computerversand ([http://www.alternate.nl/ dutch]) <br />
:[http://www.alternate.nl/html/productDetails.html?artno=NMZV62 airmouse] and lots of regular PC hardware, <br />
:Usually slow on delivery.<br />
;'''iHabitat''' Home automation ([http://www.ihabitat.nl/ dutch])<br />
:[http://www.ihabitat.nl/html/global_cache.html gc100] <br />
:A bit slow to respond to the inquiry, but fast no-nonsense delivery.<br />
;'''MyPowerShop''' ([http://www.mypowershop.eu dutch]) <br />
:X10 and Z-wave products. Accepts Paypal<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
;'''EZHome''' ([http://www.ezhome.nl/ dutch])<br />
:Seems to be mostly Z-wave products with some others<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
<br />
=== Norway ===<br />
;'''Tronika aka Smarthus''' ([http://www.smarthus.info/ norwegian]) <br />
:Z-wave products incl. [http://www.smarthus.info/product_info.php?cPath=1_46_115&products_id=2248 usb homecontroller]<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
<br />
=== Portugal ===<br />
;'''EuroX10''' ([http://www.eurox10.com/Home.htm english/portuguese])<br />
:European Distributor of Home Automation X10 devices<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
<br />
=== Sweden ===<br />
;'''Eliving''' ([http://www.eliving.se swedish]) <br />
:Z-wave products incl. [http://www.eliving.se/product_info.php?cPath=21_29&products_id=72 usb homecontroller]<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
<br />
=== United Kingdom ===<br />
;'''Convergent Home Technologies - The Digital Home Specialists''' ([http://www.chtukltd.co.uk English])<br />
:Core/Hybrids built & tested to order (AM2/nVidia, Intel)<br />
:MD's built & tested (AM2/nVidia, AM2/ATI, Intel)<br />
:Z-wave - full range of European units<br />
:lmce-0710 software pre-installed & configured on all Core/Hybrids<br />
:Full after sales support provided<br />
:Will Ship Worldwide (but not currently to the US)<br />
;'''Let's automate''' ([http://www.letsautomate.com/index.cfm english]) <br />
:ZWave home automation<br />
;'''Let's automate''' ([http://www.enoceanshop.co.uk] english) <br />
:EnOcean home automation<br />
;'''High Tech Pad''' ([http://www.hightechpad.com] english) <br />
:Z-Wave, USB UIRTs, Bluetooth - Europe-wide Shipping.<br />
;'''UK Automation''' ([http://www.uk-automation.co.uk english])<br />
:X10 stuff from Marmitek<br />
<br />
=== Czech Republic ===<br />
<br />
;'''POWERHOUSE''' ([http://www.powerhouse.eu/ english])<br />
<br />
:Wide range of X10 devices for home automation, security, video surveillance and multimedia. Sipping is available for EU countries.<br />
<br />
=== Russian Federation ===<br />
<br />
;'''Z-Waver Russian Shop''' ([http://www.z-waver.ru/ russian])<br />
<br />
:Z-Wave home automation. Integration Linux MCE.</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Where_to_Buy&diff=22142Where to Buy2010-01-19T07:20:37Z<p>Tkmedia: /* United States */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: Hardware| ]]<br />
{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
This is '''not''' meant as an endorsement, but the question of where to buy certain things pops up regularly. Some of this equipment can be hard to find locally, so help out and add your own suppliers to the list if they aren't already there and either way feel free to add a line with your experience. <br />
<br />
''Please add countries alphabetically, and append new stores to the bottom of the lists in order to keep things organized, thank you and good luck with that shopping list!''<br />
<br />
== Africa ==<br />
<br />
== America ==<br />
<br />
=== United States ===<br />
;'''Fiire''' ([http://www.fiire.com/ english]) :''The'' remote, and also core/media director hardware.<br /><br />
;'''Mi Casa Verde''' ([http://shop.micasaverde.com/ english]) :Z-Wave home Automation devices including a new Z-Wave USB interface + inclusion controller in one, and surveillance cameras. Also, a low-cost LinuxMCE-compatible core combined with a Wi-Fi access point.<br /><br />
;'''Smarthome''' ([http://wwww.smarthome.com english]) :Home Automation supplies including Insteon, X10, and Zwave and more custom components as well.<br /><br />
;'''Provantage''' ([http://www.provantage.com/ english]) :Computing parts and accessory superstore.<br /><br />
;'''NewEgg''' ([http://www.newegg.com/ english]) :Computing parts and accessories.<br /><br />
;'''Mini-ITX''' ([http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=27 english]) :Thin Clients utilizing their small motherboard technology.<br /><br />
;'''Smarthome-Products''' ([http://www.smarthome-products.com/s-15-z-wave.aspx english]) :Home Automation Products including Z-Wave, X10, and Insteon to make your everyday life safer, more convenient and more fun.<br /><br />
;'''lmcecompatible.com''' ([http://www.slmcecompatible.com english]) :LinuxMCE Compatible Systems and Accessories<br />
<br />
== Asia ==<br />
'''Automation At Home''' [[http://x10-hk.com/store/index.php English] [http://x10-hk.com/store/index.php?language=tc Chinese]]<br />
Sell PLCBUS Devices , X10 Devices , Marmitek Product , ship worldwide.<br />
<br />
== Australia ==<br />
;'''Static Ice''' ([http://www.staticice.com.au]) :By far the best "Best Price" site for several hundred different computer/electronics equipment retailers in Australia.<br />
<br />
== Europe ==<br />
<br />
=== Belgium ===<br />
;'''IntelliHome''' Domotica Shop ([http://www.intellihome.be/ multi]/[http://www.intellihome.be/english/home.asp english]/[http://www.intellihome.be/nederlands/home.asp dutch]/[http://www.intellihome.be/francais/home.asp french]/[http://www.intellihome.be/deutsch/home.asp german]) :Marmitek X10 Home Automation/Security Products, European shipping<br />
;'''Voipsolutions''' ([http://www.voipsolutions.be/ english]/[http://www.voipsolutions.be/language/fr french]/[http://www.voipsolutions.be/language/nl dutch]) :All kinds of VoIP related hardware solutions.<br />
<br />
=== Denmark ===<br />
;'''Seluxit'''<br />
:([http://www.seluxit.com english]) Z-wave products incl. <br />
:[http://shop.seluxit.com/catalog/product_info.php?currency=EUR&products_id=30 multi-sensor] [http://shop.seluxit.com/catalog/product_info.php?currency=EUR&products_id=29 usb homecontroller]<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''Innovus''' ([http://www.innovus.dk/ danish]/[http://www.innovus.eu english]) <br />
:Z-wave products<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''ElectronicHouseKeeper''' ([http://www.electronichousekeeper.com danish])<br />
:Their own line of Z-wave products<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''Homee''' ([http://www.homee.dk/index.php/en English])<br />
: A Shop with lots of products, new coming every week (almost)<br />
<br />
=== Germany ===<br />
;'''Schalterversand''' ([http://www.schalterversand.de german]) :Z-Wave switches and much more, cheap and fast.<br />
;'''DVBShop''' ([http://www.dvbshop.net english]) :Everything you need for DVB (Cable, Sattelite or Terrestrial) digital television, worldwide shipping.<br />
;'''Zwave4u''' ([http://www.zwave4u.de german]) <br />
:Z-wave products. Accepts Paypal.<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
;'''Merten''' ([http://www.merten.de german]) :Own line of Z-wave products.<br />
;'''Firma ENS Elektronetshop''' ([http://www.elektronetshop.de german]) <br />
:Merten stuff <br />
:Best price found on Sep 9, 2008<br />
;'''Voltus Elektro Shop''' ([http://www.voltus.de german]) <br />
:Merten stuff <br />
:Also cheaper than official Merten prices, but I found service to be severely lacking (very, very unresponsive!). Summer 2008.<br />
;'''Duewi''' ([http://www.duewi.de german]) <br />
:They have their own line of Z-wave products.<br />
:No online shop.<br />
;'''FINE-BUY''' ([http://www.fine-buy.de/ german]) <br />
:They have some touchscreens.<br />
:the 12.1" (http://www.fine-buy.de/shop/product_info.php?cPath=3_30_64&products_id=159) works fine: [[Egalax-Touchscreen]]<br />
;'''EDI Shop''' ([http://www.edi-shop.de german]) <br />
:EnOcean home automation<br />
<br />
===Greece===<br />
;'''Z-Wave.gr''' ([http://www.zwave.gr/index.php?lang=en english] / [http://www.zwave.gr/index.php?lang=el greek])<br />
:A big range of Z-Wave products. High delivery rate, at least to Cyprus<br />
<br />
=== Italy ===<br />
;'''Z-wave Europe''' ([http://www.z-wave-europe.org/ italian]) :Z-wave product list for Europe and website links.<br />
<br />
=== Netherlands ===<br />
;'''ElekHomica''' ([http://www.elekhomica.nl/ dutch]/[http://www.elekhomica.nl/infopage2.php?language=nn english])<br />
:X10 and Zwave, even remote controlled curtainrail! EU shipping (curtainrail NL/BE only).<br />
:Quick and painless delivery.<br />
;'''ALTERNATE''' Computerversand ([http://www.alternate.nl/ dutch]) <br />
:[http://www.alternate.nl/html/productDetails.html?artno=NMZV62 airmouse] and lots of regular PC hardware, <br />
:Usually slow on delivery.<br />
;'''iHabitat''' Home automation ([http://www.ihabitat.nl/ dutch])<br />
:[http://www.ihabitat.nl/html/global_cache.html gc100] <br />
:A bit slow to respond to the inquiry, but fast no-nonsense delivery.<br />
;'''MyPowerShop''' ([http://www.mypowershop.eu dutch]) <br />
:X10 and Z-wave products. Accepts Paypal<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
;'''EZHome''' ([http://www.ezhome.nl/ dutch])<br />
:Seems to be mostly Z-wave products with some others<br />
:Not yet tested.<br />
<br />
=== Norway ===<br />
;'''Tronika aka Smarthus''' ([http://www.smarthus.info/ norwegian]) <br />
:Z-wave products incl. [http://www.smarthus.info/product_info.php?cPath=1_46_115&products_id=2248 usb homecontroller]<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
<br />
=== Portugal ===<br />
;'''EuroX10''' ([http://www.eurox10.com/Home.htm english/portuguese])<br />
:European Distributor of Home Automation X10 devices<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
<br />
=== Sweden ===<br />
;'''Eliving''' ([http://www.eliving.se swedish]) <br />
:Z-wave products incl. [http://www.eliving.se/product_info.php?cPath=21_29&products_id=72 usb homecontroller]<br />
:Not yet tested<br />
<br />
=== United Kingdom ===<br />
;'''Convergent Home Technologies - The Digital Home Specialists''' ([http://www.chtukltd.co.uk English])<br />
:Core/Hybrids built & tested to order (AM2/nVidia, Intel)<br />
:MD's built & tested (AM2/nVidia, AM2/ATI, Intel)<br />
:Z-wave - full range of European units<br />
:lmce-0710 software pre-installed & configured on all Core/Hybrids<br />
:Full after sales support provided<br />
:Will Ship Worldwide (but not currently to the US)<br />
;'''Let's automate''' ([http://www.letsautomate.com/index.cfm english]) <br />
:ZWave home automation<br />
;'''Let's automate''' ([http://www.enoceanshop.co.uk] english) <br />
:EnOcean home automation<br />
;'''High Tech Pad''' ([http://www.hightechpad.com] english) <br />
:Z-Wave, USB UIRTs, Bluetooth - Europe-wide Shipping.<br />
;'''UK Automation''' ([http://www.uk-automation.co.uk english])<br />
:X10 stuff from Marmitek<br />
<br />
=== Czech Republic ===<br />
<br />
;'''POWERHOUSE''' ([http://www.powerhouse.eu/ english])<br />
<br />
:Wide range of X10 devices for home automation, security, video surveillance and multimedia. Sipping is available for EU countries.<br />
<br />
=== Russian Federation ===<br />
<br />
;'''Z-Waver Russian Shop''' ([http://www.z-waver.ru/ russian])<br />
<br />
:Z-Wave home automation. Integration Linux MCE.</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21688Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T04:31:56Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comcast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort to automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
* http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408359<br />
<br />
You will need.:<br />
<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/<br />
<br />
Download and extract:<br />
<br />
* http://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=262652<br />
* Under the scte65-0.21 directory extract <br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://comcastupdate.googlecode.com/files/comcast_update-0.1.tgz<br />
<br />
Edit Makefile and compile:<br />
<br />
* In the scte65scan directory Edit Makefile.hdhr:<br />
* Add this line near the top:<br />
* LIBOBJS += $(HDHR_DIR)/hdhomerun_os_posix.o<br />
* And change the LDFLAGS line a few lines down so that it looks like this:<br />
* LDFLAGS += -lpthread -lrt<br />
<br />
Download and Compile<br />
<br />
* apt-get install libtext-csv-perl<br />
* http://comcastupdate.googlecode.com/files/comcast_update-0.1.tgz<br />
<br />
* Run comcast_update --configure<br />
* Run comcast_update</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21687Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T04:31:03Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comcast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort to automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
* http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408359<br />
<br />
You will need.:<br />
<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/<br />
<br />
Download and extract:<br />
<br />
* http://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=262652<br />
* Under the scte65-0.21 directory extract <br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://comcastupdate.googlecode.com/files/comcast_update-0.1.tgz<br />
<br />
Edit Makefile and compile:<br />
<br />
* In the scte65scan directory Edit Makefile.hdhr:<br />
* Add this line near the top:<br />
* LIBOBJS += $(HDHR_DIR)/hdhomerun_os_posix.o<br />
* And change the LDFLAGS line a few lines down so that it looks like this:<br />
* LDFLAGS += -lpthread -lrt<br />
<br />
Download and Compile<br />
<br />
* apt-get install libtext-csv-perl<br />
* http://comcastupdate.googlecode.com/files/comcast_update-0.1.tgz<br />
<br />
Run comcast_update --configure<br />
Run comcast_update</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21686Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T04:11:29Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comcast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort to automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
* http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408359<br />
<br />
You will need.:<br />
<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/<br />
<br />
Download and extract:<br />
<br />
* http://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=262652<br />
* Under the scte65-0.21 directory extract <br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
<br />
Edit Makefile and compile:<br />
<br />
* In the scte65scan directory Edit Makefile.hdhr:<br />
* Add this line near the top:<br />
* LIBOBJS += $(HDHR_DIR)/hdhomerun_os_posix.o<br />
* And change the LDFLAGS line a few lines down so that it looks like this:<br />
* LDFLAGS += -lpthread -lrt</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21685Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T04:10:22Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comcast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort to automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
* http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408359<br />
<br />
You will need.:<br />
<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/<br />
<br />
Download and extract:<br />
<br />
* http://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=262652<br />
* Under the scte65-0.21 directory extract http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun /libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
<br />
Edit Makefile and compile:<br />
<br />
* In the scte65scan directory Edit Makefile.hdhr:<br />
* Add this line near the top:<br />
* LIBOBJS += $(HDHR_DIR)/hdhomerun_os_posix.o<br />
* And change the LDFLAGS line a few lines down so that it looks like this:<br />
* LDFLAGS += -lpthread -lrt</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21684Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T04:05:06Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comcast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort to automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
* http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408359<br />
<br />
You will need.:<br />
<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/<br />
<br />
Download and extract:<br />
<br />
* http://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=262652<br />
* Under the scte65-0.21 directory extract http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
<br />
Edit Makefile and compile:<br />
<br />
* In the scte65scan directory Edit Makefile.hdhr:<br />
* Add this line near the top:<br />
* LIBOBJS += $(HDHR_DIR)/hdhomerun_os_posix.o<br />
* And change the LDFLAGS line a few lines down so that it looks like this:<br />
* LDFLAGS += -lpthread -lrt</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21683Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T04:03:33Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comcast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort to automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
* http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408359<br />
<br />
You will need.<br />
<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/<br />
<br />
Download and extract<br />
<br />
* http://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=262652<br />
* Under the scte65-0.21 directory extract http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
<br />
Edit Makefile and compile<br />
<br />
* In the scte65scan directory Edit Makefile.hdhr:<br />
* Add this line near the top:<br />
* LIBOBJS += $(HDHR_DIR)/hdhomerun_os_posix.o<br />
* And change the LDFLAGS line a few lines down so that it looks like this:<br />
* LDFLAGS += -lpthread -lrt</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21682Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T03:48:44Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comcast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort to automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
<br />
You will need.<br />
<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/downloads/linux<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21681Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T03:48:16Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comcast Qam ==<br />
In an effort o automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
<br />
You will need.<br />
<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/downloads/linux<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21680Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T03:46:45Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comast Qam ==<br />
In an effort o automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
<br />
You will need.<br />
<br />
* https://www.silicondust.com/downloads/linux<br />
* http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
* http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21679Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T03:44:49Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Comast Qam */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comast Qam ==<br />
In an effort o automate or semi automate xmlid gathering for QAM stations I have found the following tools and finally have approx 90 qam stations with full XMLID's<br />
<br />
I will use this to try to document the process.<br />
<br />
The information was gathered form the following links<br />
https://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45<br />
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan<br />
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan#How_to_determine_VCT_ID_using_a_Full_Set_Top_Box<br />
<br />
You will need.<br />
<br />
https://www.silicondust.com/downloads/linux<br />
http://download.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/libhdhomerun_20091024.tgz<br />
http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Silicondust_HDHomeRun&diff=21678Silicondust HDHomeRun2009-11-30T03:18:02Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Configuring */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: TV_Cards]]<br />
[[Category: Video]]<br />
<br />
[[Image:Hdhomerun.jpg|400px|right|thumb|HDHomeRun]]<br />
== More Information ==<br />
<br />
* Silicondust [http://www.silicondust.com HDHomeRun]<br />
* Official HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by silicondust.com) [http://www.silicondust.com/forum/ Official HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
* HDHomeRun Forum (hosted by 9thtee.com) [http://www.9thtee.com/sdforum.htm HDHomeRun Forum]<br />
<br />
== Where to Buy? ==<br />
<br />
* $169.00, free shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.cyberestore.com/hdhomerun-networked-hdtv-digital-dual-tuner-free-shipping-p-508.html cyberestore.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 9thtee.com]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pName/silicondust-hdhomerun-networked-digital-hdtv-tuner/cName/hdtv-tuner-cards PC_Alchemy]<br />
* $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=72 Mythic.TV]<br />
* approx. $169.00 + shipping (as of 21 NOV 2007) [http://search.ebay.com/hdhomerun eBay]<br />
* $149.99 + shipping (as of 24 AUG 2008) [http://www.sundialmicro.com/silicondust-hdhomerun-digital-tuner-receiver_2047_1104.html Sundial Micro]<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
<br />
Watch over-the-air digital & unencrypted digital cable TV from all computers in your home network<br />
<br />
Dual tuners - record/watch multiple channels at once<br />
<br />
IR Receiver - use most standard remotes to signal your PC<br />
<br />
Compatible With:<br />
* Windows Media Center:<br />
o MCE 2005 (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 32-bit (beta).<br />
o Vista MCE 64-bit (beta). <br />
* SnapStream BeyondTV (beta)<br />
* SageTV - DVR for Windows.<br />
* MediaPortal - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* GB-PVR - DVR for Windows (beta).<br />
* MythTV - DVR for Linux.<br />
* Pluto - Home automation & media system.<br />
* VLC - Multi-platform media viewer. <br />
<br />
Detailed Specifications:<br />
<br />
* 8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital HDTV)<br />
* QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)<br />
* Dual HDTV Tuners<br />
* IR Receiver (38kHz)<br />
* 100baseTX high speed network<br />
<br />
Package Includes:<br />
<br />
* Networked Digital HDTV Tuner<br />
* Power supply<br />
* 7' RJ45 Patch Cable<br />
<br />
== Configuring ==<br />
<br />
If you have your LinuxMCE core configured as your DHCP server, it will detect a new HDHomeRun and prompt you to scan for channels. If you are using Schedules Direct, mythfilldatabase will automatically fill in scheduling data for over-the-air (antenna) inputs. But 99.9% of cable systems do not have the types of channel mappings which MythTV can use to set up listings for you, in that case you will need to manually set the channum and XMLTVID for each channel to match those reported by the Schedules Direct channel editor. The HDHomeRun QAM channel database may be helpful for this step, see [http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels here.]<br />
<br />
== Comast Qam ==</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=AMPS_with_RS-232&diff=21534AMPS with RS-2322009-10-28T18:12:40Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>Controlling AV equipment via IR is at best tedious. Controlling devices via a cabled RS-232 connection is much safer. This page is meant as a pooling place for AMPS with RS-232 ports. It does not mean, there is plug and play support for the device, nor is this some kind of endorsement for the listed products.<br />
==NAD T765==<br />
[http://nadelectronics.com/products/av_receivers/T765-A/V-Surround-Sound-Receiver/ T765]<br />
Plug and Play with 0810<br />
<br />
<br />
==Used By==<br />
[http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/User:Tkmedia tkmedia]</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=AMPS_with_RS-232&diff=21533AMPS with RS-2322009-10-28T18:02:53Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>Controlling AV equipment via IR is at best tedious. Controlling devices via a cabled RS-232 connection is much safer. This page is meant as a pooling place for AMPS with RS-232 ports. It does not mean, there is plug and play support for the device, nor is this some kind of endorsement for the listed products.<br />
==NAD T765==<br />
[http://nadelectronics.com/products/av_receivers/T765-A/V-Surround-Sound-Receiver/ T765]<br />
Plug and Play with 0810<br />
<br />
<br />
T765 A/V Receiver Features<br />
<br />
* 7 x 80W Simultaneous Full Disclosure Power<br />
* 7 x 140W Minimum Continuous Power (FTC)<br />
* PowerDrive™ amplifier technology<br />
* Holmgren™ Toroidal Power Supply<br />
* Modular construction for simple upgrade and service<br />
* Audyssey Auto Setup and Calibration of all speaker settings using supplied microphone<br />
* Data Port for use with optional NAD IPD 1 Dock for iPod®<br />
* Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, ProLogic II, ProLogic IIx, DTS, DTS ES, DTS 24/96, DTS NEO:6, EARS and Stereo Enhanced Surround Modes<br />
* 5 A/V Custom Presets store unique listening modes, DSP options, tone, speaker and display settings<br />
* Direct speaker level adjustment for surround, center and sub<br />
* NAD Soft Clipping™<br />
* Burr-Brown 24 bit 96kHz A/D converter<br />
* Burr-Brown 24 bit 192kHz Stereo D/A converters (x5)<br />
* Texas Instruments Aureus™ 7.1 DSP (32 bit dual core floating point design)<br />
* 3 1080p HDMI Video Inputs switch to 1 Output, freely assignable<br />
* Cross Conversion of all analog video formats<br />
* 7 Analog Stereo Audio Inputs (1 front panel)<br />
* Media Player MP front panel input<br />
* 6 Analog Video Inputs, all S-Video and Composite (1 front panel), 3 Component Video<br />
* 7 Digital Audio Inputs, 3 Coax and 4 Optical (1 front panel)<br />
* 3 Analog Stereo Audio Outputs, 2 assignable as Tape Out, or as Zone 3 and Zone 4 Outputs with independent source and volume control<br />
* Back Surround Amplifier Channels can be reassigned for Zone 2 or front Bi-Amp<br />
* 3 Video Monitor Outputs, Component, S-Video and Composite formats<br />
* 3 Analog Video Outputs, 2 Tape (Composite and S-Video) and 1 Zone (Composite)<br />
* 2 Digital Outputs, 1 Coaxial, 1 TOSLINK<br />
* 7.1 Analog Input (for DVD Audio/SACD/ETC.)<br />
* Speaker A + B switching (Speakers B stereo only)<br />
* Zone 2 A/V Line Level Output with independent source and volume selection<br />
* ZR-4 Second Zone Remote included with discrete codes for independent zone<br />
* IR Input<br />
* 3 x IR Outputs<br />
* RS-232 port interface for advanced control systems<br />
* 3 x 12V Output Triggers, 1 x 12V input<br />
* Preamp Outputs for all 7.2 channels (2 Subwoofers)<br />
* RDS FM/AM Tuner with 30 direct access presets<br />
* XM Ready – XM subscription and optional XM module required<br />
* HTR-3 Illuminated Learning Remote Control<br />
==Used By==<br />
[http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/User:Tkmedia tkmedia]</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=AMPS_with_RS-232&diff=21531AMPS with RS-2322009-10-28T17:56:55Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>Controlling AV equipment via IR is at best tedious. Controlling devices via a cabled RS-232 connection is much safer. This page is meant as a pooling place for AMPS with RS-232 ports. It does not mean, there is plug and play support for the device, nor is this some kind of endorsement for the listed products.<br />
==NAD T765==<br />
[http://nadelectronics.com/products/av_receivers/T765-A/V-Surround-Sound-Receiver/ T765]<br />
Plug and Play with 0810<br />
<br />
<br />
T765 A/V Receiver Features<br />
<br />
* 7 x 80W Simultaneous Full Disclosure Power<br />
* 7 x 140W Minimum Continuous Power (FTC)<br />
* PowerDrive™ amplifier technology<br />
* Holmgren™ Toroidal Power Supply<br />
* Modular construction for simple upgrade and service<br />
* Audyssey Auto Setup and Calibration of all speaker settings using supplied microphone<br />
* Data Port for use with optional NAD IPD 1 Dock for iPod®<br />
* Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, ProLogic II, ProLogic IIx, DTS, DTS ES, DTS 24/96, DTS NEO:6, EARS and Stereo Enhanced Surround Modes<br />
* 5 A/V Custom Presets store unique listening modes, DSP options, tone, speaker and display settings<br />
* Direct speaker level adjustment for surround, center and sub<br />
* NAD Soft Clipping™<br />
* Burr-Brown 24 bit 96kHz A/D converter<br />
* Burr-Brown 24 bit 192kHz Stereo D/A converters (x5)<br />
* Texas Instruments Aureus™ 7.1 DSP (32 bit dual core floating point design)<br />
* 3 1080p HDMI Video Inputs switch to 1 Output, freely assignable<br />
* Cross Conversion of all analog video formats<br />
* 7 Analog Stereo Audio Inputs (1 front panel)<br />
* Media Player MP front panel input<br />
* 6 Analog Video Inputs, all S-Video and Composite (1 front panel), 3 Component Video<br />
* 7 Digital Audio Inputs, 3 Coax and 4 Optical (1 front panel)<br />
* 3 Analog Stereo Audio Outputs, 2 assignable as Tape Out, or as Zone 3 and Zone 4 Outputs with independent source and volume control<br />
* Back Surround Amplifier Channels can be reassigned for Zone 2 or front Bi-Amp<br />
* 3 Video Monitor Outputs, Component, S-Video and Composite formats<br />
* 3 Analog Video Outputs, 2 Tape (Composite and S-Video) and 1 Zone (Composite)<br />
* 2 Digital Outputs, 1 Coaxial, 1 TOSLINK<br />
* 7.1 Analog Input (for DVD Audio/SACD/ETC.)<br />
* Speaker A + B switching (Speakers B stereo only)<br />
* Zone 2 A/V Line Level Output with independent source and volume selection<br />
* ZR-4 Second Zone Remote included with discrete codes for independent zone<br />
* IR Input<br />
* 3 x IR Outputs<br />
* RS-232 port interface for advanced control systems<br />
* 3 x 12V Output Triggers, 1 x 12V input<br />
* Preamp Outputs for all 7.2 channels (2 Subwoofers)<br />
* RDS FM/AM Tuner with 30 direct access presets<br />
* XM Ready – XM subscription and optional XM module required<br />
* HTR-3 Illuminated Learning Remote Control</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=AMPS_with_RS-232&diff=21528AMPS with RS-2322009-10-28T17:49:09Z<p>Tkmedia: New page: Controlling AV equipment via IR is at best tedious. Controlling devices via a cabled RS-232 connection is much safer. This page is meant as a pooling place for AMPS with RS-232 ports. It d...</p>
<hr />
<div>Controlling AV equipment via IR is at best tedious. Controlling devices via a cabled RS-232 connection is much safer. This page is meant as a pooling place for AMPS with RS-232 ports. It does not mean, there is plug and play support for the device, nor is this some kind of endorsement for the listed products.<br />
==NAD T765==<br />
[http://nadelectronics.com/products/av_receivers/T765-A/V-Surround-Sound-Receiver/ T765]<br />
Plug and Play with 0810</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=User:Tkmedia&diff=21525User:Tkmedia2009-10-28T17:17:11Z<p>Tkmedia: New page: =Setup= ''Presently using 0810 Alpha7'' ==Core== *Motherboard: ASUS M3N78-WS AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD *Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 6...</p>
<hr />
<div>=Setup=<br />
''Presently using 0810 Alpha7''<br />
==Core==<br />
<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M3N78-WS AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Dual on-board GB NIC<br />
*HDD: WD 320 SATA2 (internal)<br />
*DVD Drive: Generic IDE DVDROM<br />
*TV Tuner: [[Silicondust HDHomeRun]]<br />
<br />
==MD #1 Bed Room==<br />
MSI Media Live<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display Old RCA 32" STD Def<br />
*Remote MCE, Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
<br />
== MD #2 Living Room==<br />
*Motherboard: ASUS M2N68-VM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Sony CRT Hi-def 1080i<br />
*Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
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== MD #3 Den==<br />
*Motherboard: Zotac Ion NVIDIA GeForce 9400 HDMI Micro ATX AMD<br />
*Processor: Intel ATOM 1.3<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 32" Olevia Hi-def 720p<br />
**Remote Webdt(Pad Orbiter)<br />
*Phone MD based - Solo mic<br />
== MD #4 Bonus Room==<br />
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*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Display 42" Sharp Hi-def 1080p Rs232 controlled plug an play<br />
*Amp NAD T765 RS232 ... Created template Now plug n play in 0810<br />
*Other Roku Net-flix Player<br />
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*Phone Cisco 7970<br />
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Generic Ip camera<br />
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*Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor<br />
*RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
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*Switch #2 HP Procurve 1400 8 port Gb<br />
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*RAM: 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel<br />
*Storage 120gb boot drive<br />
*Storage NFS mount to Freenas</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=20090519Transcript&diff=1911320090519Transcript2009-05-19T15:52:05Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:01] <dlewis> nice<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:07] <dlewis> welcome jimbodude<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:11] <dlewis> you may begin ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:14] <jimbodude> morning.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:26] <jimbodude> lucky me :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:44] <jimbodude> ok, first - a few follow-ups from last meeting.<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:50] <jimbodude> any issues with the minutes?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:51] <TSCHAKeee> am ere<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:01] <dlewis> word<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:04] <TSCHAKeee> non issues with the minutes.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:05] <dlewis> good crowd<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:55] <jimbodude> ok, if any come up - let me know.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:09] <tkmedia_> I just want to great job guys<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:23] <tkmedia_> say<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:31] <jimbodude> any additions/changes to today's agenda? http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/20090519Agenda -<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:46] <jondecker76> jimbodude, I have a last-minute addition<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:46] <possy> DVD Install => blocker for beta?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:48] <dlewis> jimbodude: don't think so<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:55] <dlewis> (guess not)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:06] <jondecker76> discussion of mythtv tv_shows_* directory structure<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:15] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:33] <totallymaxed> I think DVD install is pretty important for Beta personally<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:47] <jondecker76> i agree on the DVD install for beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:53] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:01] <possy> totallymaxed, do you have any resources that you can throw at the DVD install process?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:32] <totallymaxed> yes...possibly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:37] <jimbodude> ok added.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:57] <jimbodude> let's follow up with the stuff from last meeting quickly, then dive into those items.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:57] <TSCHAKeee> cool<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:06] <totallymaxed> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:09] <Zaerc> I think it is pretty futile to build a dvd for a beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:25] <jimbodude> does someone have logging on, by the way? so we can grab a transcript at the end?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:28] <TSCHAKeee> why? we need to test the process and make sure it works<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:34] <Zaerc> but I guess I will leave you guys to figure that out on your own<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:50] <possy> TSCHAKeee, ACK<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:53] <tkmedia_> jimbo i have logging on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:57] <jimbodude> First item - from Hari last week - standardized testing of all components. any progress or comments on this?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:11] <jimbodude> thanks tkmedia_.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:25] <TSCHAKeee> this hasn't been worked on. I don<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:44] <TSCHAKeee> ...erm, wouldn't know where to begin.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:54] <jimbodude> ok, do we still think that is a worth-while thing to do? does anyone want to start to tackle it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:04] <jondecker76> i think it should be more of a long term goal, to standardize testing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:20] <TSCHAKeee> yes it is a worthwhile thing to do, we'll figure this stuff out in the medium to long term<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:44] <totallymaxed> bringing standardised testing now sounds like a massive project in its own right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:52] <jimbodude> ok - well, someone needs to put the infrastructure in place - maybe we could decide who that should be and what it should/should not look like? or shall we deffer?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:30] <TSCHAKeee> defer until after this release.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:33] <TSCHAKeee> we still have more to learn<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:44] <jimbodude> I agree, any other opinions?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:55] <dlewis> I agree with TSCHAKeee<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:03] <jondecker76> i agree as well<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:08] <jimbodude> ok. that sounds good for now.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:18] <tkmedia_> yes but everyone shpould keep an eye as they go through stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:19] <jimbodude> next topic - 0810 release scheduling.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:55] <jimbodude> progress on scheduling? any target dates? milestones?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:30] * jimbodude listens to crickets<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:44] <TSCHAKeee> hm<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:46] <possy> I have cleaned up lots of tickets to point to the right milestones (imho)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:56] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:01] <TSCHAKeee> *thumbs-through-them*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:10] <possy> We currently have 6 or even 7 (with dvd install) open tickets for Beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:32] <jimbodude> ok. a more fundamental question - do we have the right milestones - i.e. are they fine grained enough?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:33] <possy> some of them look like they already are completed, jondecker76 might has more say in some of them<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:56] <possy> jimbodude, we will have some additional milestones for rc's imho<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:57] <jondecker76> i looked through mine and all open ones still have some things that need done<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:10] <jondecker76> i may change the milestones on them to RC though<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:16] <possy> jondecker76, would you mind maybe detailing what really needs to get done.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:21] <possy> and what is already working<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:32] <TSCHAKeee> we're doing pretty well, 28 open tickets for 0810, and all of em look pretty small.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:41] <jondecker76> most of them are features, so nothing really blocking on those<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:43] <jimbodude> ok. so it sounds like possy has that pretty well under control - thanks.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:52] <jondecker76> just one that I feel is a blocker, thats improving the backup system<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:56] <jimbodude> and from what I've seen - it looks like bug reporting is getting better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:02] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:21] <jimbodude> ok - do we need to talk about the backup today?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:47] <jondecker76> its detailed pretty well in the ticket<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:51] <possy> yep<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:21] <jimbodude> ok. so how about release dates - do we have any target dates? do we want to make/adjust some?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:27] <possy> no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:43] <jimbodude> even if we don't make them public...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:49] <possy> no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:27] <TSCHAKeee> not yet<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:32] <totallymaxed> what about the problem recently with sqlCVS etc...how to protect against that? Is that worth some discussion?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:43] <possy> I feel that this release has to many pitfalls, and we have to many unknowns. We have the blockers for the beta. Let's get the beta out, and see how users reacht.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:51] <possy> totallymaxed, I am in the middle of that.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:09] <jimbodude> ok. so no release schedule for now - deffer until beta. good nuf?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:15] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:16] <possy> yep<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:21] <jondecker76> re:sqlCVS - the best we can do is make sure we all follow a standard protocol of making sure we run a validation before our commits<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:33] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:43] <TSCHAKeee> somehow FK_Users_Maintainer got set to 1 on a bunch of records<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:44] <dlewis> as an FYI, I plan to reach out to a few people on the forum that I've noticed have skill-sets to help us out (PHP masters, etc...). We'll see how it goes...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:53] <possy> jondecker76, even that does not guard against failure, as has been proven by tkmedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:59] <TSCHAKeee> and it caused a massive clusterfuck when we tried to remove the real cause of the problem.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:12] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: good.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:18] <jimbodude> shall we add sqlCVS to the agenda, or is it under control?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:20] <tkmedia_> ya i am good at braking stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:25] <possy> TSCHAKeee, it seems sqlCVS is alive again.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:26] <jondecker76> would the problem have been caught before hand if a diff was run first?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:32] <possy> tkmedia_, again, it was not your fault.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:32] <TSCHAKeee> possy: good.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:34] <TSCHAKeee> whew<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:41] <possy> jondecker76, no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:56] <TSCHAKeee> there was nothing in the batches to correlate what had happened<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:06] <jondecker76> interesting<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:08] <TSCHAKeee> at least, i couldn't find any.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:15] <jimbodude> ok - next item - Bug reporting.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:17] <possy> jondecker76, I fixed a hefty bug in rubyCodes.php last night<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:25] <possy> jondecker76, that might help in the future<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:37] <jondecker76> great, i will check svn and see what it was<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:42] * possy did not really fix it, but put some duct tape around it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:50] <jimbodude> Looks like everyone has improved bug reporting - by both reporting more things, and making better reports.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:55] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:11] <jimbodude> has anyone had time to review my work on http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Bug_Reporting ? There are probably some pretty big holes...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:31] <jimbodude> One of which - I need to make it more LinuxMCE-specific.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:44] <jimbodude> any other comments on bug reporting in general or that work?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:25] <jimbodude> ok then. I'll continue on that track.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:37] <TSCHAKeee> cool<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:52] <jimbodude> possy: next item is yours - taking care of milestones. sounds like you're well on your way there<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:05] <possy> looks like it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:34] <jimbodude> ok, anything in particular we need to know?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:36] <possy> one note on your document re bug reporting: Try to not to write too much. People tend not to read articles that are too long ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:55] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:56] <possy> jimbodude, on the milestones? no, not really.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:59] <possy> I discovered<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:26:18] <possy> that you can easily move a whole bunch of tickets over to a new milestone (after the fact that I did it manually) ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:26:53] <jimbodude> next item - high importance defects (not features). whos got some?<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:27:02] <jimbodude> (we'll get to installer and backup in a minute)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:27:30] <jondecker76> IR/GSD bugs<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:01] <tkmedia_> I am sure if i test my sony chenger there are some lingering ones<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:05] <jondecker76> I am working on them, things have just gotten really busy over the last few weeks, so my progress is slowing to a crawl at the moment<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:10] <possy> jondecker76, that seems to the biggest one, after the USB stuff got fixed thanks to uplink<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:35] <jondecker76> yes, I will get to it - just waiting for my break from work to come up<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:52] <jimbodude> ok. anything you need help with there jondecker76?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:03] <totallymaxed> uplink by the way was working a long day yesterday...so is not able to join us<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:09] <jondecker76> not really, just a lot of time-consuming testing and debugging<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:42] <possy> what is everybody elses take on MythTV stability?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:43] <TSCHAKeee> we need to get uplink a beer for solving the serial converter bug in HAL. :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:03] <possy> i.e. ticket #195<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:14] <TSCHAKeee> MythTV is _very_ stable for me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:18] <jondecker76> i have some idea on myth stability<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:25] <TSCHAKeee> I use an HDHomeRun and a WinTV PVR-USB2<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:27] <totallymaxed> he he...uplink <glug> drinks your health ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:30] <jondecker76> but its been very very stable for most everyone I've talked to<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:50] <possy> jondecker76, could talk to chris_HGAIT about his problems?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:55] <dlewis> possy: what's your opinion on it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:58] <jimbodude> possy: I have not read 195. right now - my MythTV_Plugin causes the router to reload every 5-15 minutes. once the router hits the 200 reload limit, mythbackend runs fine on its own.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:02] <jondecker76> yes, I will follow up with him some more<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:23] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: i do notice an interesting bug where mythtv shows are showing up twice if they get stored on my USB disk...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:29] <possy> dlewis, I don't use MythTV, as MythTV and bad reception is a recipe for disaster. And I prefer VDR for the settop box like appearance.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:42] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:52] <dlewis> hence your query<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:53] <jondecker76> ok, i've noted both mythtv bugs and will follow up on them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:58] <TSCHAKeee> us americans can't use VDR.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:59] <possy> k<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:06] <jimbodude> ok thanks jondecker76.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:13] * possy pats TSCHAKeee on the head - it will be okay...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:23] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: you can use vdr...but its not that easy<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:24] <TSCHAKeee> that's okay, we can out-schedule you<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:27] <TSCHAKeee> hehehehe :P :)<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:35] <jimbodude> next item - critical features outstanding?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:49] <possy> Pizza ordering from the Orbiter<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:54] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:54] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:07] <jimbodude> robotic beer retriever...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:09] <dlewis> jimbodude: microphones on the webpads<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:11] <TSCHAKeee> yes, and where is my Giggidy button? :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:19] <dlewis> i beleive tkmedia_ found something interesting the other day<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:20] <jondecker76> do we have plans to remove Remote-Assistance features?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:20] <totallymaxed> ZWave Pizza oven template?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:27] <dlewis> jondecker76: why remove it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:30] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: no, they are staying in.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:35] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: we just need to re-enable it.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:36] <jondecker76> it crashes orbiter currently<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:39] <jondecker76> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:53] <TSCHAKeee> it works _very_ well, it was just disabled because of one feature<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:58] <jimbodude> ok, any comments on microphones on webpads?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:05] * dlewis plans to look into it Remote-Assitance<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:15] <jondecker76> I think we should also do Linux orbiter build to make an Ubuntu deb<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:18] <TSCHAKeee> jimbodude: lots of stuff to deal with there, not gonna be easy.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:25] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: agreed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:32] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: make a series of alien-able packages<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:43] <jondecker76> yes, that would be great<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:48] <jimbodude> agreed - from what I saw when I looked into it - overwhelming. I would not call it critical.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:05] <jimbodude> that would be very nice.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:14] * dlewis steps off soap box and walks to the back of the room...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:18] <jimbodude> someone want to look into that?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:28] * TSCHAKeee watches all the eyes point to me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:40] <TSCHAKeee> uh<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:41] <jondecker76> sure, TSCHAKeee will do it :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:43] <TSCHAKeee> :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:47] <jimbodude> perfect :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:58] <TSCHAKeee> if i may interject.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:04] <TSCHAKeee> I am working on the Generic HID handler<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:17] <TSCHAKeee> it'll be the first new major piece of code in orbiter.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:36] <TSCHAKeee> but essentially, it should allow for the GYR3101US and other HID based remotes that emit special keys to work.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:01] <jondecker76> for prosperity's sake, lets make a trac ticket on it for now so It doesn't get lost<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:05] <jimbodude> anything else? next stop - DVD install - blocker, or not? how difficult to implement?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:31] <TSCHAKeee> right now, it relies on a vmware installation<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:41] <jondecker76> I wouldn't exactly call it a blocker, but it will need done eventually anyways... and it does need thorough testing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:51] <jondecker76> and it would attract a much larger beta user base<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:02] <TSCHAKeee> we have _no_ idea what needs to be done to it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:07] <jimbodude> I would say blocker - mostly because of the need to test.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:09] <possy> hari's suggestion on the DVD install was, to get rid of the VMWare way, and use chroot'ed stuff instead.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:31] <TSCHAKeee> because the build system has been modified substantially since we started, mostly by Zaerc.. he would be the one who would be able to comment on that....<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:41] <TSCHAKeee> if we can do that, then cool.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:02] <totallymaxed> DVD install could be a repos with installer...instead of a Live Disc type install like 0710...possy suggested this earlier<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:17] <jondecker76> the advantage of the vmware way is ease of testing.. savign states and reverting back to them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:41] <totallymaxed> That would be a simpler proposition than an 0710 style DVD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:49] <possy> totallymaxed, having the repo on the DVD saves a lot of hammering on deb.lmce.org<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:01] <jondecker76> totallymaxed, that is a very interesting idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:05] <jimbodude> I would like to see us use the package installers, use a local DVD repo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:25] <possy> jimbodude, what package installer are you talking about?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:57] <jimbodude> dpkg / apt-get... just use a modified version of the install scripts we have now, but point the repos to the DVD...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:59] <Zaerc> I have not modified the build system substantially<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:03] <jimbodude> unless I'm way off base...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:21] <Zaerc> in fact I have tried to keep it as close to the way it was as I could<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:30] <TSCHAKeee> Zaerc: okay.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:32] <possy> jimbodude, at the moment, we can't have a meta deb.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:48] <totallymaxed> jimbodude: yep thats what i was thinking too<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:54] <tkmedia_> funny comment in main channel<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:55] <tkmedia_> [10:19] <mandingoceo> so if you have to reinstall from scratch just copy the cache back after a fresh install and then everything takes about 20 min to install<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:02] <possy> jimbodude, I am not saying that it is not possible, but lots of work.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:09] <tkmedia_> any relevance<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:30] <possy> tkmedia_, not really. It takes me 20-30 minutes to install from my local buildserver repo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:33] <jimbodude> possy: right - but we still know what packages to install - we don't need a meta-deb... that would be neat, but we don't need it right now.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:35] <tkmedia_> k<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:19] <totallymaxed> so doing the same from DVD based repos would be marginally slower but still way faster than a remote repos<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:25] <possy> jimbodude, we have too many things going on inbetween. There is a reason, why the current installer works the way it does. We might be able to change that, but that task is no small one.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:29] <possy> totallymaxed, correct.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:42] <totallymaxed> and it would make the whole thing easier for more people to get involved with<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:43] <possy> totallymaxed, especially if we add ubuntu stuff onto the DVD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:47] <jimbodude> ok - so lets step back a moment out of this technical discussion - and go for the simple question - blocker, or not?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:48] <possy> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:57] <totallymaxed> possy right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:08] <totallymaxed> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:13] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:33] <Zaerc> not<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:57] <TSCHAKeee> Zaerc: am just curious, why not? what should we do?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:01] <possy> More and more people are trying the alpha's. People don't seem to be too afraid of using the alpha based software these days<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:01] <jimbodude> Zaerc: seems you're in the minority - can you expand a bit?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:16] <Zaerc> I just think it's not a blocker for the beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:46] <TSCHAKeee> okay.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:00] <jondecker76> but how and when would we test a dvd installer then?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:02] <totallymaxed> my view is that if we go Beta with the installprocess as it is now... we will end up spending 80% of our time helping people do the install<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:08] <Zaerc> there already is an installer that mostly works, except for the frequent oopses<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:15] <jimbodude> Zaerc: I don't think the feature is a blocker for beta - but my worry would be testing... there will be plenty of good technical people available to test in beta stages - release, not so much... those people don't even read the FAQ...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:19] <totallymaxed> what we want is people to install and test the actual functionality and stability<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:23] <possy> The main problem with the current installer seem to be download problems.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:38] <Zaerc> I don't see a dvd as a requirment for a beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:58] <TSCHAKeee> not a... requirement... but it will help, and we do need to test that part of it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:03] <TSCHAKeee> we haven't done anything with it at all<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:24] <Zaerc> if it's not a requirment then it's not a blocker imo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:52] <possy> imho, the beta should contain what eventually will be released. If we don't have a rudimentary DVD installer, we won't have a DVD installer in release.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:01] <jimbodude> I would expect the beta to be as close to release as possible.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:08] <possy> jimbodude, aye<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:14] <jimbodude> and I would expect an installer in the release...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:16] <Zaerc> a beta is a test version, you're confused with a release candidate<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:35] <jimbodude> no, release candidate is ready to go out the door...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:47] <Zaerc> indeed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:49] <totallymaxed> possy Im in agreement on that<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:29] <totallymaxed> the beta should be as close to release as possible I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:37] <jimbodude> it seems we are mostly in agreement. can we have a quick poll - blocker, not.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:43] <jimbodude> blocker.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:44] <possy> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:46] <jondecker76> I also expect a beta to have a pretty close featureset as the release<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:52] <jondecker76> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:11] <Zaerc> suit yourselves<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:12] <totallymaxed> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:26] <TSCHAKeee> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:40] <jimbodude> ok. someone want to head up that effort?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:40] <dlewis> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:54] <possy> jimbodude, didn't totallymaxed already signed up?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:14] <totallymaxed> Hmmm...well I guess I did to some extent :-(<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:32] <jimbodude> oh, I missed that. you still ok with that totallymaxed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:33] <TSCHAKeee> poor uplink<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:54] <totallymaxed> ...thats me with a lot of Uplink ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:52:15] <totallymaxed> yeah... we'll commit to that<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:52:33] <jimbodude> ok - jondecker76 - next topic is yours. MythTV recording directory structure.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:20] <jimbodude> jondecker76: can you introduce what is going on there?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:23] <jondecker76> ok, please see http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/jondecker76/tv_shows_madness-1.png<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:46] <jondecker76> right now, a sepparate tv_shows_* directory is made for each media directory<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:57] <jondecker76> this gets messy really quick, as my screenshot illustrates<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:23] <jondecker76> the reasoning is that technically, each media director (myth front end) can have its own recording schedule<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:40] <jondecker76> and with a single directory, this could cause filename conflicts<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:41] <jimbodude> hehe (for the log - jondecker76 has 9 tv_shows_* directories in the media file sync view of the web admin - and it looks ridiculous)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:58] <jondecker76> but in my experience, this would rarely, if ever happen<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:16] <jondecker76> its even worse, that when I rip a dvd and I am prompted for a directory name, I see all 9 of them each time<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:32] <jimbodude> jondecker76: have you determined if this file name overlap restriction is true of the newer myth version?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:33] <jondecker76> I would like to see ALL mythtv recordings go into /home/public/data/mythtv<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:50] <possy> jondecker76, thats like VDR in 710<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:03] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: but then we don't see them in videos<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:06] <jondecker76> I don't think it was ever a mythtv restriction<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:24] <possy> TSCHAKeee, yes you do, if you modify UpdateMedia startup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:28] <jondecker76> ok, how about /home.public/data/videos/mythtv?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:38] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:43] <possy> jondecker76, no need<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:48] <jondecker76> i would prefer it not to be its own subdir<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:49] <jondecker76> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:54] <jondecker76> what does everyone think?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:20] <possy> i am for a dedicated pvr subdir structure under data<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:20] <totallymaxed> sounds logical<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:37] <totallymaxed> good idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:41] <jimbodude> I do not like the way its done now - very confusing for the end user, and doesn't seem to enable any features. one dir sounds great.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:43] <jondecker76> how about a pvr directory that both myth and vdr could use... depending on whats installed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:48] <possy> especially, as you are able to record audio and video with vdr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:56] <possy> jondecker76, aye<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:03] <jimbodude> even better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:05] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: videos/tv_shows ?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:11] <jondecker76> what does vdr use currently?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:23] <totallymaxed> VDRTV<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:27] <possy> jondecker76, in 710 we have VDRTV under data<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:37] <TSCHAKeee> sigh<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:38] <possy> in 810 we are using the default /var/lib/video.00<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:39] <jondecker76> TSCHAKeee - I agree with possy that we don't make it a subdir of Videos, and modify UpdateMedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:39] <TSCHAKeee> grrrr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:40] <totallymaxed> but thats not good either<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:42] Join qball4 has joined this channel (n=qball4@24.14.61.250).<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:52] <possy> jondecker76, we don't need to modify UpdateMedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:01] <possy> jondecker76, TSCHAKeee, we just need to modify the startup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:07] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: i want the tv shows to show up under videos, and modify the file browser appropriately to show them better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:07] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:09] <jondecker76> even better<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:24] <possy> TSCHAKeee, they end up in the video browser, no matter where they are<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:27] <jondecker76> ok, so this would satisfy everything then<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:34] <jimbodude> in my opinion - the recorded stuff is different that what I put in videos anyway... and should be separate.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:56] <jondecker76> i'm with jimbodude on this one, but I don't mind either way really<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:13] <jimbodude> ok, is there any discontent with that solution - technical issues or otherwise?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:26] <jondecker76> re: directory name, we should pick something agnostic in case more PVR softwares emerge in the future<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:34] <jondecker76> i.e. /home/public/data/pvr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:35] <possy> jondecker76, I am not using any hierarchie for my stuff, I just choose public for ripped stuff, and use the browser to get to it based on the tags<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:54] <possy> so I really don't care that much, but I think having it under a dedicated dir is cleaner solution<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:14] <possy> especially as VDR has the nasty behaviour to delete stuff when it needs room ...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:19] <jondecker76> so can we agree that we will work together so that both VDR and Mythtv use the data/pvr directory?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:26] <jimbodude> ok - jondecker76 - this is also yours, deferred from last meeting: Discuss possibility of running our own new_install script on www.linuxmce.org and assigning our own installation ID's<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:40] <jondecker76> and I will update the scripts to create the symlinks to other storage devices?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:48] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:52] <possy> jondecker76, i am for it. let s see what totallymaxed new vdr installer does<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:05] <jondecker76> ok, I will start work on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:14] <jondecker76> re: new install script<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:25] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: sounds good to me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:37] <jondecker76> I don't have much faith that the plutohome website will be around much longer..<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:59] <jondecker76> and I think we should do our own new_install script to hand out new installation numbers<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:03:54] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: do we need installation no's?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:23] <possy> totallymaxed, yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:34] <jondecker76> if we ever plan on finishing off the possibility of sharing installations...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:35] <possy> not now<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:37] <totallymaxed> we use them for dianemo...but in the 'Post Pluto' world do they make sense?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:40] <possy> but later on.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:55] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: how else will we be able to do video phone calls between houses? ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:55] <possy> I think they are helpful for adding functionality later on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:06] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: or connecting houses together...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:07] <possy> TSCHAKeee, LDAP<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:09] * possy runs<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:11] <jondecker76> I think we need them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:26] <totallymaxed> possy TSCHAKeee jondecker76 ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:30] <jondecker76> but I also think we need to take over the script<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:56] <jondecker76> now its just how to do it... should we start all over at 0?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:05] <jondecker76> if not, how do we gracefully sync to plutohome's db?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:30] <jondecker76> on option would be to create 2 new scripts on our server<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:30] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: you mean for previous installs?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:45] <dlewis> i agree with jondecker76<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:50] <dlewis> we might want to use our stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:54] <dlewis> and not pluto's page<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:54] <jondecker76> on script to sync with what plutohome handed out<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:58] <TSCHAKeee> we do two things:<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:10] <TSCHAKeee> (1) grab the next number from plutohome<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:12] <jondecker76> and if plutohome site is down, then call our own version, which will continue on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:19] <TSCHAKeee> use that as starting point<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:37] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: why not just start our own sequence now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:38] <TSCHAKeee> (2) and we push an update script which grabs installation #s and pushes them to our db<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:40] <jimbodude> is the installation ID an integer, or can we just put a letter in front...?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:46] <TSCHAKeee> it's an integer<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:51] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:53] <TSCHAKeee> of course, we can start our own sequence too<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:59] <possy> I am for our own sequence starting at 1000000<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:07] <TSCHAKeee> sounds good<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:10] <jondecker76> http://plutohome.com/new_installation.php<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:29] <dlewis> i agree with possy<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:32] <jondecker76> for those that havne't called it manually...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:36] <totallymaxed> I would suggest moving to our own infrastructure for all of this asap<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:02] <jondecker76> i agree, we need to be 100% self-reliant<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:02] <dlewis> does anyone know if hari has space/resources for all of this?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:05] <possy> iirc the installation id is the last thing where we are still using Pluto's infrastructure<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:14] <possy> dlewis, he has<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:16] <TSCHAKeee> are we using our own geoIP stuff now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:18] <totallymaxed> possy right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:20] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:25] <jondecker76> dlewis, it would be a single PHP file addition<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:27] <possy> TSCHAKeee, jondecker76 did some stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:31] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:38] <jondecker76> yes, we are using our own GeoIP stuff now :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:48] <jondecker76> plus I updated the GeoIP database to most current<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:53] <totallymaxed> CHT hosts it own installation ID's by the way<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:56] <possy> TSCHAKeee, I modified the installer to use Kubuntu's information, and jondecker76 did the right thing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:23] <jondecker76> possy, your addition will still be called if the geoip script is down for some reason<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:38] <possy> jondecker76, ;) np I am fine with your work!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:47] <possy> totallymaxed, did you start with 0?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:02] <jondecker76> but it is live in the installer now, so it looks like the installation id thing is all that remains<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:03] <totallymaxed> Hmmm... no ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:07] <jimbodude> ok - so sounds like we're coming to agreement. quick poll - LinuxMCE install script, or leave it.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:11] <jimbodude> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:18] <possy> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:26] <jondecker76> jimbodude, i have a few more points on this...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:26] <dlewis> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:39] <dlewis> jondecker76: go ahead<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:43] <jimbodude> alright, sorry - didn't mean to cut you off. continue.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:58] <jondecker76> shoudl we include a vendor-specific part of the ID?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:14] <jondecker76> for example 0000-123456<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:23] <jondecker76> 0000* will be linuxmce specific<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:42] <jondecker76> 0001* for example could be dienemo specific<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:43] <jondecker76> etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:53] <jondecker76> then the ID numbers will still follow suit<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:05] <jondecker76> aside from the 4-digit identifier for example<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:27] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: I think we will stick with out orn ID's as we already have system in the filed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:30] <jondecker76> this would allow LMCE to talk to specific LMCE vendors in the future possibly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:32] <TSCHAKeee> i was going to try and use the installation #s as a phone number for the house.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:24] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: phone number, meaning?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:25] <jondecker76> ok, so foregoing any modifications to the installation numbers themselves, we all agree that we should be hosting the script?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:31] <jondecker76> and that we should start with what number?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:53] <jondecker76> dlewis: call LMCE ID 123456<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:55] <jondecker76> for example<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:01] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: if you dial it on the dial pad, it trunks out to an IAX server we host, that will allow you to call another LMCE house<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:07] <uplink-lmce> hi :D<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:16] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: we do this so that when we have Video conferencing, we have a mechanism for it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:17] <jimbodude> I don't see a problem starting with 0... there's nothing tying installs together right now is there?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:18] <jondecker76> welcome uplink!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:25] <jondecker76> not currently<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:32] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: nice idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:08] * possy wonders how uplink-lmce will react, once he knows what totallymaxed committed to... ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:15] <TSCHAKeee> but we need something that can easily be (1) dialed from orbiter pad, (2) filtered to route to our IAX trunk<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:23] <jimbodude> it would be really neat if we had some data collection mechanism with the install too - like "tell us who you are" or grab hardware data - so we can have some user statistics.... but that's a little ways off I think.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:52] <possy> My reasoning for starting with a large number is would be, that all installation IDs have the same length (well at least the next 9mio)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:03] <totallymaxed> possy I got in early and let uplink-lmce in on the secret ;-<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:04] <jimbodude> so we have an install number, a name, and hardware data. then we can count users, decide what hardware is most important to support, etc.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:21] <possy> totallymaxed, I was j/k :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:35] <dlewis> jimbodude: definitely makes sense... we gotta look into privacy issues across countries...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:18:11] <jimbodude> yes, of course. privacy is always an issue - but I'm talking about minimal and voluntary data. a big project still.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:18:30] <jimbodude> and none of it public, of course.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:10] <jimbodude> anything else on this topic?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:21] <jimbodude> install ids - not data collection<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:38] <possy> install IDs - aye - data collection - nay<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:39] <TSCHAKeee> i'm for possy's sequence bias.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:15] <jondecker76> ok, se we roll our own ID's and start with 1000000 - agreed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:19] <jondecker76> I'll take the task<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:22] <jimbodude> I'm not worried about the start number - but I agree that we should have our own.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:28] <dlewis> i agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:52] <dlewis> jimbodude: let's document that start number and that JD has the task<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:07] <jimbodude> dlewis: it will be in the minutes, don't worry ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:10] * dlewis hopes jondecker76 likes the affinity JD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:22] <jondecker76> ok, sounds good<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:36] <jimbodude> ok. who was working on LinuxFund and 501c3?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:08] <jimbodude> that is the next topic. get us up to speed.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:22] <jondecker76> also along those lines, I think we need to discuss the LMCE foundation idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:35] <jondecker76> we need a governing body<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:50] <jondecker76> especially if we are to ever accept donations etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:14] * dlewis is assisting to lead the 501c3 stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:33] <jimbodude> ok dlewis. what's going on on that front?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:39] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee has the form and is planning to send it over to ddamron for review and signing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:51] <possy> ddamron, did you receive anything yet<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:04] <dlewis> possy: it hasn't been sent yet.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:04] <dlewis> I will be in Boston in a couple of weekends and plan to review the form with Thom<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:10] <dlewis> before sending it over to ddamron<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:24] <dlewis> so, I plan to physically watch the form being mailed to ddamron :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:43] <dlewis> danielK has already signed it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:46] <possy> hmm. ok. wasn't it suppose to be already filled out, and only waiting for a signature by ddamron.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:03] <TSCHAKeee> danielK's sig is on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:06] <TSCHAKeee> my sig is on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:19] <TSCHAKeee> ddamron's sig needs to be on it, then back to danielK's place for filing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:20] <possy> why does it need to be reviewed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:33] <TSCHAKeee> it doesn't.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:34] <possy> TSCHAKeee, put it in an envelope to Canada<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:41] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:45] <dlewis> then send it off then ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:51] <TSCHAKeee> *nod*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:01] <possy> TODAY!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:03] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: who provided them money for the filing?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:04] <possy> ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:45] <dlewis> I believe its around $300 to register<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:56] <dlewis> ~$300<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:28] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: contact me about that...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:30] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:31] <dlewis> next<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:34] <dlewis> LinuxFund<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:39] <dlewis> I've been speaking with those guys<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:48] <dlewis> I had a healthy convo about how they can assist us<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:49] <dlewis> in short<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:28:36] <dlewis> they may be able to provide funding to, and I quote: "certain areas that would require extensive support/man power in order to get us over the hump and make us a real player in this space"<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:28:56] <dlewis> now<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:10] <jondecker76> I'm all for getting some support money for the most active and/or in-need dev(s)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:48] <jimbodude> yep, I'm ok with paying the good people.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:57] <dlewis> jondecker76: I would love to give money to our devs, but it doesn't even have to go to our devs, it can go to external resources as well (if our devs are busy).<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:04] <dlewis> but yes,<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:07] <dlewis> our devs come first<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:25] <jondecker76> yes, or even purchase of equipment/devices for devs to support<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:51] <dlewis> we need to solidify what the major pain point for us is<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:01] <dlewis> I spoke with Thom and he mentioned the media plugin<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:01] <jimbodude> a slightly different approach - how about Google Summer of Code?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:04] <jondecker76> personally, I'm not in need, nor do I contribute near as much as some of these guys. But the ones that do fit the criteria should be compensated, IMO<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:36] <dlewis> media plugin and alternative Orbitors<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:43] <dlewis> jimbodude: I'll be looking into that as well<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:44] <jondecker76> Google SOC is a good idea and they have a good program... someone would have to do a lot of legwork though<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:47] <dlewis> we missed the deadline<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:10] <jondecker76> never too early to start for next year<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:16] <jimbodude> I know we missed this year - but they do it every year... :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:28] <dlewis> yea, it does require a lot of questions to be answered<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:30] <jimbodude> they pay the kids well too... it's like $5k...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:10] <dlewis> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#org_apply<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:15] <jimbodude> anyhow - so we need to pick a focus area to get LinuxFund to help - is that where we are now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:42] <dlewis> jimbodude: yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:08] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee mentioned debugging the media plugin and alternative Orbitors<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:13] <jimbodude> ok. and what is the timeline we are looking at? are we on a schedule with them, or are they waiting on us?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:27] <dlewis> since a majority of people use media<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:37] <dlewis> and we need more obitor support<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:35:34] <dlewis> jimbodude: i've been conversing with them... I'm waiting to hear back from them on the ideas i gave them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:35:38] <dlewis> I'll follow up again today<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:36:33] <jimbodude> ok. so is everyone in agreement on those two focus areas? or do we need to get more specific...?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:27] <jondecker76> another focus area would be in the installation ID/VPN stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:45] <TSCHAKeee> *nod*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:48] <dlewis> jondecker76: would that make is a "real player" in this space<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:51] <dlewis> ?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:54] <jimbodude> I'm not sure that's user-focused enough...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:12] <jondecker76> aren't we already the only player??<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:13] <jondecker76> :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:21] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:25] <jimbodude> I like the orbiter alternatives the most... I think what we have is great - but most user complaints are on interface...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:25] <dlewis> I think TSCHAKeee idea on media and orbitor are huge pain points<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:32] <jondecker76> another possibility would be improved GSD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:46] <jondecker76> so more people could make templates easier<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:05] <jondecker76> but the Media/Orbiter stuff is pretty high as you've pointed out<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:12] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:18] <dlewis> I'll start with media and orbitor<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:22] <dlewis> and see how they respond<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:24] <tkmedia_> yes orbiters.... some how one orbiter doesnt ahndle eveyhting perfectly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:44] <jimbodude> perfect. anything else on this topic?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:50] <jondecker76> as well as options to make orbiter FASTER<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:09] <jondecker76> like a syncronized local mysql database if the device has the housepower<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:17] <jondecker76> *horsepower<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:26] <jimbodude> last topic - meeting scheduling and asynchronous meeting capabilities.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:27] <dlewis> i like that idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:54] <tkmedia_> and a mobile MD <br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:10] <jondecker76> as well as a real-time rendering option<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:12] <jondecker76> etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:24] <jondecker76> yes, a web-based MD even<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:51] <tkmedia_> i want a MD in my car that syncronizes with the home<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <dlewis> nice<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <jondecker76> but anyways, yes - a lot of options with those choices<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:13] <jimbodude> first - thank you dlewis for taking care of this meeting. I apologize that I was unable to reschedule the previous one due to a ridiculous amount of things happening in my life all at the same time.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:38] <dlewis> jimbodude: thanks for running the meeting<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:30] <jimbodude> next - scheduling is a bit of a pain over IRC - I propose a mailing list. This also gives us the ability to talk about things asynchronously, but out of the public eye. Especially useful for things that require followup - like this 501c3 effort and LinuxFund.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:41] <jondecker76> yes, thank you both<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:43] <jimbodude> thoughts?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:55] <jimbodude> jondecker76, dlewis: I do what I can.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:12] <dlewis> and you do it well :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:17] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:20] <dlewis> (with mailing list)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:26] <dlewis> Hari would be the guy for that.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:49] <jimbodude> do we have mailing lists in place already? or is this an "all-new" thing?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:06] <jimbodude> I'll take that as a "no" or a "nobody knows"...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:39] <jimbodude> ok - so lets go with this - I'll be making a mailing list to help with meeting scheduling and followup items.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:51] * TSCHAKeee idly wonders if the lurkers in this channel have anything to say? :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:10] <jimbodude> if you'd like to be on it, PM your e-mail address to me on the forum<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:29] <jimbodude> TSCHAKeee: I've been wondering the same thing... :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:52] <jimbodude> with that - the agenda is exhausted. Is there any other business?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:48:26] <jondecker76> no, i think everything was covered quite well<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:01] <dlewis> nice<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:07] <dlewis> welcome jimbodude<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:11] <dlewis> you may begin ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:14] <jimbodude> morning.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:26] <jimbodude> lucky me :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:44] <jimbodude> ok, first - a few follow-ups from last meeting.<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:50] <jimbodude> any issues with the minutes?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:51] <TSCHAKeee> am ere<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:01] <dlewis> word<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:04] <TSCHAKeee> non issues with the minutes.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:05] <dlewis> good crowd<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:55] <jimbodude> ok, if any come up - let me know.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:09] <tkmedia_> I just want to great job guys<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:23] <tkmedia_> say<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:31] <jimbodude> any additions/changes to today's agenda? http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/20090519Agenda -<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:46] <jondecker76> jimbodude, I have a last-minute addition<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:46] <possy> DVD Install => blocker for beta?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:48] <dlewis> jimbodude: don't think so<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:55] <dlewis> (guess not)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:06] <jondecker76> discussion of mythtv tv_shows_* directory structure<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:15] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:33] <totallymaxed> I think DVD install is pretty important for Beta personally<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:47] <jondecker76> i agree on the DVD install for beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:53] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:01] <possy> totallymaxed, do you have any resources that you can throw at the DVD install process?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:32] <totallymaxed> yes...possibly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:37] <jimbodude> ok added.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:57] <jimbodude> let's follow up with the stuff from last meeting quickly, then dive into those items.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:57] <TSCHAKeee> cool<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:06] <totallymaxed> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:09] <Zaerc> I think it is pretty futile to build a dvd for a beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:25] <jimbodude> does someone have logging on, by the way? so we can grab a transcript at the end?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:28] <TSCHAKeee> why? we need to test the process and make sure it works<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:34] <Zaerc> but I guess I will leave you guys to figure that out on your own<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:50] <possy> TSCHAKeee, ACK<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:53] <tkmedia_> jimbo i have logging on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:57] <jimbodude> First item - from Hari last week - standardized testing of all components. any progress or comments on this?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:11] <jimbodude> thanks tkmedia_.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:25] <TSCHAKeee> this hasn't been worked on. I don<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:44] <TSCHAKeee> ...erm, wouldn't know where to begin.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:54] <jimbodude> ok, do we still think that is a worth-while thing to do? does anyone want to start to tackle it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:04] <jondecker76> i think it should be more of a long term goal, to standardize testing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:20] <TSCHAKeee> yes it is a worthwhile thing to do, we'll figure this stuff out in the medium to long term<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:44] <totallymaxed> bringing standardised testing now sounds like a massive project in its own right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:52] <jimbodude> ok - well, someone needs to put the infrastructure in place - maybe we could decide who that should be and what it should/should not look like? or shall we deffer?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:30] <TSCHAKeee> defer until after this release.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:33] <TSCHAKeee> we still have more to learn<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:44] <jimbodude> I agree, any other opinions?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:55] <dlewis> I agree with TSCHAKeee<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:03] <jondecker76> i agree as well<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:08] <jimbodude> ok. that sounds good for now.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:18] <tkmedia_> yes but everyone shpould keep an eye as they go through stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:19] <jimbodude> next topic - 0810 release scheduling.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:55] <jimbodude> progress on scheduling? any target dates? milestones?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:30] * jimbodude listens to crickets<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:44] <TSCHAKeee> hm<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:46] <possy> I have cleaned up lots of tickets to point to the right milestones (imho)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:56] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:01] <TSCHAKeee> *thumbs-through-them*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:10] <possy> We currently have 6 or even 7 (with dvd install) open tickets for Beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:32] <jimbodude> ok. a more fundamental question - do we have the right milestones - i.e. are they fine grained enough?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:33] <possy> some of them look like they already are completed, jondecker76 might has more say in some of them<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:56] <possy> jimbodude, we will have some additional milestones for rc's imho<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:57] <jondecker76> i looked through mine and all open ones still have some things that need done<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:10] <jondecker76> i may change the milestones on them to RC though<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:16] <possy> jondecker76, would you mind maybe detailing what really needs to get done.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:21] <possy> and what is already working<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:32] <TSCHAKeee> we're doing pretty well, 28 open tickets for 0810, and all of em look pretty small.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:41] <jondecker76> most of them are features, so nothing really blocking on those<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:43] <jimbodude> ok. so it sounds like possy has that pretty well under control - thanks.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:52] <jondecker76> just one that I feel is a blocker, thats improving the backup system<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:56] <jimbodude> and from what I've seen - it looks like bug reporting is getting better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:02] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:21] <jimbodude> ok - do we need to talk about the backup today?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:47] <jondecker76> its detailed pretty well in the ticket<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:51] <possy> yep<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:21] <jimbodude> ok. so how about release dates - do we have any target dates? do we want to make/adjust some?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:27] <possy> no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:43] <jimbodude> even if we don't make them public...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:49] <possy> no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:27] <TSCHAKeee> not yet<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:32] <totallymaxed> what about the problem recently with sqlCVS etc...how to protect against that? Is that worth some discussion?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:43] <possy> I feel that this release has to many pitfalls, and we have to many unknowns. We have the blockers for the beta. Let's get the beta out, and see how users reacht.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:51] <possy> totallymaxed, I am in the middle of that.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:09] <jimbodude> ok. so no release schedule for now - deffer until beta. good nuf?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:15] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:16] <possy> yep<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:21] <jondecker76> re:sqlCVS - the best we can do is make sure we all follow a standard protocol of making sure we run a validation before our commits<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:33] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:43] <TSCHAKeee> somehow FK_Users_Maintainer got set to 1 on a bunch of records<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:44] <dlewis> as an FYI, I plan to reach out to a few people on the forum that I've noticed have skill-sets to help us out (PHP masters, etc...). We'll see how it goes...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:53] <possy> jondecker76, even that does not guard against failure, as has been proven by tkmedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:59] <TSCHAKeee> and it caused a massive clusterfuck when we tried to remove the real cause of the problem.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:12] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: good.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:18] <jimbodude> shall we add sqlCVS to the agenda, or is it under control?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:20] <tkmedia_> ya i am good at braking stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:25] <possy> TSCHAKeee, it seems sqlCVS is alive again.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:26] <jondecker76> would the problem have been caught before hand if a diff was run first?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:32] <possy> tkmedia_, again, it was not your fault.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:32] <TSCHAKeee> possy: good.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:34] <TSCHAKeee> whew<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:41] <possy> jondecker76, no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:56] <TSCHAKeee> there was nothing in the batches to correlate what had happened<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:06] <jondecker76> interesting<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:08] <TSCHAKeee> at least, i couldn't find any.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:15] <jimbodude> ok - next item - Bug reporting.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:17] <possy> jondecker76, I fixed a hefty bug in rubyCodes.php last night<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:25] <possy> jondecker76, that might help in the future<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:37] <jondecker76> great, i will check svn and see what it was<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:42] * possy did not really fix it, but put some duct tape around it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:50] <jimbodude> Looks like everyone has improved bug reporting - by both reporting more things, and making better reports.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:55] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:11] <jimbodude> has anyone had time to review my work on http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Bug_Reporting ? There are probably some pretty big holes...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:31] <jimbodude> One of which - I need to make it more LinuxMCE-specific.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:44] <jimbodude> any other comments on bug reporting in general or that work?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:25] <jimbodude> ok then. I'll continue on that track.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:37] <TSCHAKeee> cool<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:52] <jimbodude> possy: next item is yours - taking care of milestones. sounds like you're well on your way there<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:05] <possy> looks like it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:34] <jimbodude> ok, anything in particular we need to know?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:36] <possy> one note on your document re bug reporting: Try to not to write too much. People tend not to read articles that are too long ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:55] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:56] <possy> jimbodude, on the milestones? no, not really.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:59] <possy> I discovered<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:26:18] <possy> that you can easily move a whole bunch of tickets over to a new milestone (after the fact that I did it manually) ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:26:53] <jimbodude> next item - high importance defects (not features). whos got some?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:26:53] Join emilgruno_ has joined this channel (n=emilgrun@0x5551f947.adsl.cybercity.dk).<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:27:02] <jimbodude> (we'll get to installer and backup in a minute)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:27:30] <jondecker76> IR/GSD bugs<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:01] <tkmedia_> I am sure if i test my sony chenger there are some lingering ones<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:05] <jondecker76> I am working on them, things have just gotten really busy over the last few weeks, so my progress is slowing to a crawl at the moment<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:10] <possy> jondecker76, that seems to the biggest one, after the USB stuff got fixed thanks to uplink<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:35] <jondecker76> yes, I will get to it - just waiting for my break from work to come up<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:52] <jimbodude> ok. anything you need help with there jondecker76?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:03] <totallymaxed> uplink by the way was working a long day yesterday...so is not able to join us<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:09] <jondecker76> not really, just a lot of time-consuming testing and debugging<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:42] <possy> what is everybody elses take on MythTV stability?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:43] <TSCHAKeee> we need to get uplink a beer for solving the serial converter bug in HAL. :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:03] <possy> i.e. ticket #195<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:14] <TSCHAKeee> MythTV is _very_ stable for me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:18] <jondecker76> i have some idea on myth stability<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:25] <TSCHAKeee> I use an HDHomeRun and a WinTV PVR-USB2<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:27] <totallymaxed> he he...uplink <glug> drinks your health ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:30] <jondecker76> but its been very very stable for most everyone I've talked to<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:50] <possy> jondecker76, could talk to chris_HGAIT about his problems?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:55] <dlewis> possy: what's your opinion on it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:58] <jimbodude> possy: I have not read 195. right now - my MythTV_Plugin causes the router to reload every 5-15 minutes. once the router hits the 200 reload limit, mythbackend runs fine on its own.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:02] <jondecker76> yes, I will follow up with him some more<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:23] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: i do notice an interesting bug where mythtv shows are showing up twice if they get stored on my USB disk...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:29] <possy> dlewis, I don't use MythTV, as MythTV and bad reception is a recipe for disaster. And I prefer VDR for the settop box like appearance.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:42] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:52] <dlewis> hence your query<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:53] <jondecker76> ok, i've noted both mythtv bugs and will follow up on them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:58] <TSCHAKeee> us americans can't use VDR.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:59] <possy> k<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:06] <jimbodude> ok thanks jondecker76.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:13] * possy pats TSCHAKeee on the head - it will be okay...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:23] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: you can use vdr...but its not that easy<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:24] <TSCHAKeee> that's okay, we can out-schedule you<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:27] <TSCHAKeee> hehehehe :P :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:30] Quit simnet has left this server ("Leaving").<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:35] <jimbodude> next item - critical features outstanding?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:49] <possy> Pizza ordering from the Orbiter<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:54] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:54] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:07] <jimbodude> robotic beer retriever...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:09] <dlewis> jimbodude: microphones on the webpads<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:11] <TSCHAKeee> yes, and where is my Giggidy button? :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:19] <dlewis> i beleive tkmedia_ found something interesting the other day<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:20] <jondecker76> do we have plans to remove Remote-Assistance features?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:20] <totallymaxed> ZWave Pizza oven template?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:27] <dlewis> jondecker76: why remove it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:30] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: no, they are staying in.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:35] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: we just need to re-enable it.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:36] <jondecker76> it crashes orbiter currently<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:39] <jondecker76> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:53] <TSCHAKeee> it works _very_ well, it was just disabled because of one feature<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:58] <jimbodude> ok, any comments on microphones on webpads?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:05] * dlewis plans to look into it Remote-Assitance<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:15] <jondecker76> I think we should also do Linux orbiter build to make an Ubuntu deb<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:18] <TSCHAKeee> jimbodude: lots of stuff to deal with there, not gonna be easy.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:25] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: agreed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:32] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: make a series of alien-able packages<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:43] <jondecker76> yes, that would be great<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:48] <jimbodude> agreed - from what I saw when I looked into it - overwhelming. I would not call it critical.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:05] <jimbodude> that would be very nice.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:14] * dlewis steps off soap box and walks to the back of the room...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:18] <jimbodude> someone want to look into that?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:28] * TSCHAKeee watches all the eyes point to me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:40] <TSCHAKeee> uh<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:41] <jondecker76> sure, TSCHAKeee will do it :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:43] <TSCHAKeee> :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:47] <jimbodude> perfect :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:58] <TSCHAKeee> if i may interject.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:04] <TSCHAKeee> I am working on the Generic HID handler<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:17] <TSCHAKeee> it'll be the first new major piece of code in orbiter.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:36] <TSCHAKeee> but essentially, it should allow for the GYR3101US and other HID based remotes that emit special keys to work.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:01] <jondecker76> for prosperity's sake, lets make a trac ticket on it for now so It doesn't get lost<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:05] <jimbodude> anything else? next stop - DVD install - blocker, or not? how difficult to implement?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:31] <TSCHAKeee> right now, it relies on a vmware installation<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:41] <jondecker76> I wouldn't exactly call it a blocker, but it will need done eventually anyways... and it does need thorough testing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:51] <jondecker76> and it would attract a much larger beta user base<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:02] <TSCHAKeee> we have _no_ idea what needs to be done to it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:07] <jimbodude> I would say blocker - mostly because of the need to test.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:09] <possy> hari's suggestion on the DVD install was, to get rid of the VMWare way, and use chroot'ed stuff instead.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:31] <TSCHAKeee> because the build system has been modified substantially since we started, mostly by Zaerc.. he would be the one who would be able to comment on that....<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:41] <TSCHAKeee> if we can do that, then cool.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:02] <totallymaxed> DVD install could be a repos with installer...instead of a Live Disc type install like 0710...possy suggested this earlier<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:17] <jondecker76> the advantage of the vmware way is ease of testing.. savign states and reverting back to them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:41] <totallymaxed> That would be a simpler proposition than an 0710 style DVD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:49] <possy> totallymaxed, having the repo on the DVD saves a lot of hammering on deb.lmce.org<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:01] <jondecker76> totallymaxed, that is a very interesting idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:05] <jimbodude> I would like to see us use the package installers, use a local DVD repo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:25] <possy> jimbodude, what package installer are you talking about?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:57] <jimbodude> dpkg / apt-get... just use a modified version of the install scripts we have now, but point the repos to the DVD...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:59] <Zaerc> I have not modified the build system substantially<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:03] <jimbodude> unless I'm way off base...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:21] <Zaerc> in fact I have tried to keep it as close to the way it was as I could<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:30] <TSCHAKeee> Zaerc: okay.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:32] <possy> jimbodude, at the moment, we can't have a meta deb.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:48] <totallymaxed> jimbodude: yep thats what i was thinking too<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:54] <tkmedia_> funny comment in main channel<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:55] <tkmedia_> [10:19] <mandingoceo> so if you have to reinstall from scratch just copy the cache back after a fresh install and then everything takes about 20 min to install<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:02] <possy> jimbodude, I am not saying that it is not possible, but lots of work.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:09] <tkmedia_> any relevance<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:30] <possy> tkmedia_, not really. It takes me 20-30 minutes to install from my local buildserver repo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:33] <jimbodude> possy: right - but we still know what packages to install - we don't need a meta-deb... that would be neat, but we don't need it right now.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:35] <tkmedia_> k<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:19] <totallymaxed> so doing the same from DVD based repos would be marginally slower but still way faster than a remote repos<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:25] <possy> jimbodude, we have too many things going on inbetween. There is a reason, why the current installer works the way it does. We might be able to change that, but that task is no small one.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:29] <possy> totallymaxed, correct.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:42] <totallymaxed> and it would make the whole thing easier for more people to get involved with<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:43] <possy> totallymaxed, especially if we add ubuntu stuff onto the DVD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:47] <jimbodude> ok - so lets step back a moment out of this technical discussion - and go for the simple question - blocker, or not?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:48] <possy> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:57] <totallymaxed> possy right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:08] <totallymaxed> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:13] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:33] <Zaerc> not<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:57] <TSCHAKeee> Zaerc: am just curious, why not? what should we do?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:01] <possy> More and more people are trying the alpha's. People don't seem to be too afraid of using the alpha based software these days<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:01] <jimbodude> Zaerc: seems you're in the minority - can you expand a bit?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:16] <Zaerc> I just think it's not a blocker for the beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:46] <TSCHAKeee> okay.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:00] <jondecker76> but how and when would we test a dvd installer then?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:02] <totallymaxed> my view is that if we go Beta with the installprocess as it is now... we will end up spending 80% of our time helping people do the install<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:08] <Zaerc> there already is an installer that mostly works, except for the frequent oopses<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:15] <jimbodude> Zaerc: I don't think the feature is a blocker for beta - but my worry would be testing... there will be plenty of good technical people available to test in beta stages - release, not so much... those people don't even read the FAQ...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:19] <totallymaxed> what we want is people to install and test the actual functionality and stability<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:23] <possy> The main problem with the current installer seem to be download problems.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:38] <Zaerc> I don't see a dvd as a requirment for a beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:58] <TSCHAKeee> not a... requirement... but it will help, and we do need to test that part of it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:03] <TSCHAKeee> we haven't done anything with it at all<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:24] <Zaerc> if it's not a requirment then it's not a blocker imo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:52] <possy> imho, the beta should contain what eventually will be released. If we don't have a rudimentary DVD installer, we won't have a DVD installer in release.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:01] <jimbodude> I would expect the beta to be as close to release as possible.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:08] <possy> jimbodude, aye<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:14] <jimbodude> and I would expect an installer in the release...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:16] <Zaerc> a beta is a test version, you're confused with a release candidate<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:35] <jimbodude> no, release candidate is ready to go out the door...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:47] <Zaerc> indeed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:49] <totallymaxed> possy Im in agreement on that<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:29] <totallymaxed> the beta should be as close to release as possible I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:37] <jimbodude> it seems we are mostly in agreement. can we have a quick poll - blocker, not.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:43] <jimbodude> blocker.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:44] <possy> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:46] <jondecker76> I also expect a beta to have a pretty close featureset as the release<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:52] <jondecker76> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:11] <Zaerc> suit yourselves<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:12] <totallymaxed> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:26] <TSCHAKeee> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:40] <jimbodude> ok. someone want to head up that effort?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:40] <dlewis> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:54] <possy> jimbodude, didn't totallymaxed already signed up?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:14] <totallymaxed> Hmmm...well I guess I did to some extent :-(<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:32] <jimbodude> oh, I missed that. you still ok with that totallymaxed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:33] <TSCHAKeee> poor uplink<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:54] <totallymaxed> ...thats me with a lot of Uplink ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:52:15] <totallymaxed> yeah... we'll commit to that<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:52:33] <jimbodude> ok - jondecker76 - next topic is yours. MythTV recording directory structure.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:20] <jimbodude> jondecker76: can you introduce what is going on there?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:23] <jondecker76> ok, please see http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/jondecker76/tv_shows_madness-1.png<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:46] <jondecker76> right now, a sepparate tv_shows_* directory is made for each media directory<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:57] <jondecker76> this gets messy really quick, as my screenshot illustrates<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:23] <jondecker76> the reasoning is that technically, each media director (myth front end) can have its own recording schedule<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:40] <jondecker76> and with a single directory, this could cause filename conflicts<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:41] <jimbodude> hehe (for the log - jondecker76 has 9 tv_shows_* directories in the media file sync view of the web admin - and it looks ridiculous)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:58] <jondecker76> but in my experience, this would rarely, if ever happen<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:16] <jondecker76> its even worse, that when I rip a dvd and I am prompted for a directory name, I see all 9 of them each time<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:32] <jimbodude> jondecker76: have you determined if this file name overlap restriction is true of the newer myth version?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:33] <jondecker76> I would like to see ALL mythtv recordings go into /home/public/data/mythtv<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:50] <possy> jondecker76, thats like VDR in 710<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:03] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: but then we don't see them in videos<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:06] <jondecker76> I don't think it was ever a mythtv restriction<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:24] <possy> TSCHAKeee, yes you do, if you modify UpdateMedia startup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:28] <jondecker76> ok, how about /home.public/data/videos/mythtv?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:38] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:43] <possy> jondecker76, no need<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:48] <jondecker76> i would prefer it not to be its own subdir<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:49] <jondecker76> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:54] <jondecker76> what does everyone think?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:20] <possy> i am for a dedicated pvr subdir structure under data<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:20] <totallymaxed> sounds logical<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:37] <totallymaxed> good idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:41] <jimbodude> I do not like the way its done now - very confusing for the end user, and doesn't seem to enable any features. one dir sounds great.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:43] <jondecker76> how about a pvr directory that both myth and vdr could use... depending on whats installed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:48] <possy> especially, as you are able to record audio and video with vdr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:56] <possy> jondecker76, aye<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:03] <jimbodude> even better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:05] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: videos/tv_shows ?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:11] <jondecker76> what does vdr use currently?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:23] <totallymaxed> VDRTV<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:27] <possy> jondecker76, in 710 we have VDRTV under data<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:37] <TSCHAKeee> sigh<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:38] <possy> in 810 we are using the default /var/lib/video.00<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:39] <jondecker76> TSCHAKeee - I agree with possy that we don't make it a subdir of Videos, and modify UpdateMedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:39] <TSCHAKeee> grrrr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:40] <totallymaxed> but thats not good either<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:52] <possy> jondecker76, we don't need to modify UpdateMedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:01] <possy> jondecker76, TSCHAKeee, we just need to modify the startup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:07] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: i want the tv shows to show up under videos, and modify the file browser appropriately to show them better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:07] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:09] <jondecker76> even better<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:24] <possy> TSCHAKeee, they end up in the video browser, no matter where they are<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:27] <jondecker76> ok, so this would satisfy everything then<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:34] <jimbodude> in my opinion - the recorded stuff is different that what I put in videos anyway... and should be separate.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:56] <jondecker76> i'm with jimbodude on this one, but I don't mind either way really<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:13] <jimbodude> ok, is there any discontent with that solution - technical issues or otherwise?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:26] <jondecker76> re: directory name, we should pick something agnostic in case more PVR softwares emerge in the future<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:34] <jondecker76> i.e. /home/public/data/pvr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:35] <possy> jondecker76, I am not using any hierarchie for my stuff, I just choose public for ripped stuff, and use the browser to get to it based on the tags<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:54] <possy> so I really don't care that much, but I think having it under a dedicated dir is cleaner solution<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:14] <possy> especially as VDR has the nasty behaviour to delete stuff when it needs room ...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:19] <jondecker76> so can we agree that we will work together so that both VDR and Mythtv use the data/pvr directory?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:26] <jimbodude> ok - jondecker76 - this is also yours, deferred from last meeting: Discuss possibility of running our own new_install script on www.linuxmce.org and assigning our own installation ID's<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:40] <jondecker76> and I will update the scripts to create the symlinks to other storage devices?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:48] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:52] <possy> jondecker76, i am for it. let s see what totallymaxed new vdr installer does<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:05] <jondecker76> ok, I will start work on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:14] <jondecker76> re: new install script<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:25] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: sounds good to me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:37] <jondecker76> I don't have much faith that the plutohome website will be around much longer..<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:59] <jondecker76> and I think we should do our own new_install script to hand out new installation numbers<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:03:54] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: do we need installation no's?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:23] <possy> totallymaxed, yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:34] <jondecker76> if we ever plan on finishing off the possibility of sharing installations...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:35] <possy> not now<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:37] <totallymaxed> we use them for dianemo...but in the 'Post Pluto' world do they make sense?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:40] <possy> but later on.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:55] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: how else will we be able to do video phone calls between houses? ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:55] <possy> I think they are helpful for adding functionality later on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:06] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: or connecting houses together...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:07] <possy> TSCHAKeee, LDAP<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:09] * possy runs<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:11] <jondecker76> I think we need them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:26] <totallymaxed> possy TSCHAKeee jondecker76 ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:30] <jondecker76> but I also think we need to take over the script<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:56] <jondecker76> now its just how to do it... should we start all over at 0?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:05] <jondecker76> if not, how do we gracefully sync to plutohome's db?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:30] <jondecker76> on option would be to create 2 new scripts on our server<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:30] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: you mean for previous installs?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:45] <dlewis> i agree with jondecker76<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:50] <dlewis> we might want to use our stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:54] <dlewis> and not pluto's page<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:54] <jondecker76> on script to sync with what plutohome handed out<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:58] <TSCHAKeee> we do two things:<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:10] <TSCHAKeee> (1) grab the next number from plutohome<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:12] <jondecker76> and if plutohome site is down, then call our own version, which will continue on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:19] <TSCHAKeee> use that as starting point<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:37] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: why not just start our own sequence now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:38] <TSCHAKeee> (2) and we push an update script which grabs installation #s and pushes them to our db<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:40] <jimbodude> is the installation ID an integer, or can we just put a letter in front...?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:46] <TSCHAKeee> it's an integer<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:51] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:53] <TSCHAKeee> of course, we can start our own sequence too<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:59] <possy> I am for our own sequence starting at 1000000<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:07] <TSCHAKeee> sounds good<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:10] <jondecker76> http://plutohome.com/new_installation.php<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:29] <dlewis> i agree with possy<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:32] <jondecker76> for those that havne't called it manually...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:36] <totallymaxed> I would suggest moving to our own infrastructure for all of this asap<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:02] <jondecker76> i agree, we need to be 100% self-reliant<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:02] <dlewis> does anyone know if hari has space/resources for all of this?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:05] <possy> iirc the installation id is the last thing where we are still using Pluto's infrastructure<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:14] <possy> dlewis, he has<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:16] <TSCHAKeee> are we using our own geoIP stuff now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:18] <totallymaxed> possy right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:20] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:25] <jondecker76> dlewis, it would be a single PHP file addition<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:27] <possy> TSCHAKeee, jondecker76 did some stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:31] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:38] <jondecker76> yes, we are using our own GeoIP stuff now :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:48] <jondecker76> plus I updated the GeoIP database to most current<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:53] <totallymaxed> CHT hosts it own installation ID's by the way<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:56] <possy> TSCHAKeee, I modified the installer to use Kubuntu's information, and jondecker76 did the right thing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:23] <jondecker76> possy, your addition will still be called if the geoip script is down for some reason<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:38] <possy> jondecker76, ;) np I am fine with your work!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:47] <possy> totallymaxed, did you start with 0?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:02] <jondecker76> but it is live in the installer now, so it looks like the installation id thing is all that remains<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:03] <totallymaxed> Hmmm... no ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:07] <jimbodude> ok - so sounds like we're coming to agreement. quick poll - LinuxMCE install script, or leave it.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:11] <jimbodude> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:18] <possy> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:26] <jondecker76> jimbodude, i have a few more points on this...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:26] <dlewis> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:39] <dlewis> jondecker76: go ahead<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:43] <jimbodude> alright, sorry - didn't mean to cut you off. continue.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:58] <jondecker76> shoudl we include a vendor-specific part of the ID?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:14] <jondecker76> for example 0000-123456<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:23] <jondecker76> 0000* will be linuxmce specific<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:42] <jondecker76> 0001* for example could be dienemo specific<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:43] <jondecker76> etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:53] <jondecker76> then the ID numbers will still follow suit<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:05] <jondecker76> aside from the 4-digit identifier for example<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:27] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: I think we will stick with out orn ID's as we already have system in the filed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:30] <jondecker76> this would allow LMCE to talk to specific LMCE vendors in the future possibly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:32] <TSCHAKeee> i was going to try and use the installation #s as a phone number for the house.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:24] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: phone number, meaning?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:25] <jondecker76> ok, so foregoing any modifications to the installation numbers themselves, we all agree that we should be hosting the script?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:31] <jondecker76> and that we should start with what number?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:53] <jondecker76> dlewis: call LMCE ID 123456<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:55] <jondecker76> for example<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:01] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: if you dial it on the dial pad, it trunks out to an IAX server we host, that will allow you to call another LMCE house<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:07] <uplink-lmce> hi :D<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:16] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: we do this so that when we have Video conferencing, we have a mechanism for it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:17] <jimbodude> I don't see a problem starting with 0... there's nothing tying installs together right now is there?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:18] <jondecker76> welcome uplink!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:25] <jondecker76> not currently<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:32] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: nice idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:08] * possy wonders how uplink-lmce will react, once he knows what totallymaxed committed to... ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:15] <TSCHAKeee> but we need something that can easily be (1) dialed from orbiter pad, (2) filtered to route to our IAX trunk<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:23] <jimbodude> it would be really neat if we had some data collection mechanism with the install too - like "tell us who you are" or grab hardware data - so we can have some user statistics.... but that's a little ways off I think.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:52] <possy> My reasoning for starting with a large number is would be, that all installation IDs have the same length (well at least the next 9mio)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:03] <totallymaxed> possy I got in early and let uplink-lmce in on the secret ;-<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:04] <jimbodude> so we have an install number, a name, and hardware data. then we can count users, decide what hardware is most important to support, etc.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:21] <possy> totallymaxed, I was j/k :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:35] <dlewis> jimbodude: definitely makes sense... we gotta look into privacy issues across countries...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:18:11] <jimbodude> yes, of course. privacy is always an issue - but I'm talking about minimal and voluntary data. a big project still.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:18:30] <jimbodude> and none of it public, of course.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:10] <jimbodude> anything else on this topic?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:21] <jimbodude> install ids - not data collection<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:38] <possy> install IDs - aye - data collection - nay<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:39] <TSCHAKeee> i'm for possy's sequence bias.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:15] <jondecker76> ok, se we roll our own ID's and start with 1000000 - agreed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:19] <jondecker76> I'll take the task<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:22] <jimbodude> I'm not worried about the start number - but I agree that we should have our own.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:28] <dlewis> i agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:52] <dlewis> jimbodude: let's document that start number and that JD has the task<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:07] <jimbodude> dlewis: it will be in the minutes, don't worry ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:10] * dlewis hopes jondecker76 likes the affinity JD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:22] <jondecker76> ok, sounds good<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:36] <jimbodude> ok. who was working on LinuxFund and 501c3?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:08] <jimbodude> that is the next topic. get us up to speed.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:22] <jondecker76> also along those lines, I think we need to discuss the LMCE foundation idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:35] <jondecker76> we need a governing body<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:50] <jondecker76> especially if we are to ever accept donations etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:14] * dlewis is assisting to lead the 501c3 stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:33] <jimbodude> ok dlewis. what's going on on that front?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:39] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee has the form and is planning to send it over to ddamron for review and signing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:51] <possy> ddamron, did you receive anything yet<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:04] <dlewis> possy: it hasn't been sent yet.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:04] <dlewis> I will be in Boston in a couple of weekends and plan to review the form with Thom<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:10] <dlewis> before sending it over to ddamron<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:24] <dlewis> so, I plan to physically watch the form being mailed to ddamron :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:43] <dlewis> danielK has already signed it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:46] <possy> hmm. ok. wasn't it suppose to be already filled out, and only waiting for a signature by ddamron.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:03] <TSCHAKeee> danielK's sig is on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:06] <TSCHAKeee> my sig is on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:19] <TSCHAKeee> ddamron's sig needs to be on it, then back to danielK's place for filing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:20] <possy> why does it need to be reviewed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:33] <TSCHAKeee> it doesn't.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:34] <possy> TSCHAKeee, put it in an envelope to Canada<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:41] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:45] <dlewis> then send it off then ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:51] <TSCHAKeee> *nod*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:01] <possy> TODAY!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:03] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: who provided them money for the filing?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:04] <possy> ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:45] <dlewis> I believe its around $300 to register<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:56] <dlewis> ~$300<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:28] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: contact me about that...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:30] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:31] <dlewis> next<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:34] <dlewis> LinuxFund<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:39] <dlewis> I've been speaking with those guys<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:48] <dlewis> I had a healthy convo about how they can assist us<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:49] <dlewis> in short<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:28:36] <dlewis> they may be able to provide funding to, and I quote: "certain areas that would require extensive support/man power in order to get us over the hump and make us a real player in this space"<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:28:56] <dlewis> now<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:10] <jondecker76> I'm all for getting some support money for the most active and/or in-need dev(s)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:48] <jimbodude> yep, I'm ok with paying the good people.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:57] <dlewis> jondecker76: I would love to give money to our devs, but it doesn't even have to go to our devs, it can go to external resources as well (if our devs are busy).<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:04] <dlewis> but yes,<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:07] <dlewis> our devs come first<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:25] <jondecker76> yes, or even purchase of equipment/devices for devs to support<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:51] <dlewis> we need to solidify what the major pain point for us is<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:01] <dlewis> I spoke with Thom and he mentioned the media plugin<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:01] <jimbodude> a slightly different approach - how about Google Summer of Code?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:04] <jondecker76> personally, I'm not in need, nor do I contribute near as much as some of these guys. But the ones that do fit the criteria should be compensated, IMO<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:36] <dlewis> media plugin and alternative Orbitors<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:43] <dlewis> jimbodude: I'll be looking into that as well<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:44] <jondecker76> Google SOC is a good idea and they have a good program... someone would have to do a lot of legwork though<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:47] <dlewis> we missed the deadline<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:10] <jondecker76> never too early to start for next year<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:16] <jimbodude> I know we missed this year - but they do it every year... :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:28] <dlewis> yea, it does require a lot of questions to be answered<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:30] <jimbodude> they pay the kids well too... it's like $5k...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:10] <dlewis> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#org_apply<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:15] <jimbodude> anyhow - so we need to pick a focus area to get LinuxFund to help - is that where we are now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:42] <dlewis> jimbodude: yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:08] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee mentioned debugging the media plugin and alternative Orbitors<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:13] <jimbodude> ok. and what is the timeline we are looking at? are we on a schedule with them, or are they waiting on us?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:27] <dlewis> since a majority of people use media<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:37] <dlewis> and we need more obitor support<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:35:34] <dlewis> jimbodude: i've been conversing with them... I'm waiting to hear back from them on the ideas i gave them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:35:38] <dlewis> I'll follow up again today<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:36:33] <jimbodude> ok. so is everyone in agreement on those two focus areas? or do we need to get more specific...?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:27] <jondecker76> another focus area would be in the installation ID/VPN stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:45] <TSCHAKeee> *nod*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:48] <dlewis> jondecker76: would that make is a "real player" in this space<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:51] <dlewis> ?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:54] <jimbodude> I'm not sure that's user-focused enough...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:12] <jondecker76> aren't we already the only player??<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:13] <jondecker76> :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:21] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:25] <jimbodude> I like the orbiter alternatives the most... I think what we have is great - but most user complaints are on interface...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:25] <dlewis> I think TSCHAKeee idea on media and orbitor are huge pain points<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:32] <jondecker76> another possibility would be improved GSD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:46] <jondecker76> so more people could make templates easier<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:05] <jondecker76> but the Media/Orbiter stuff is pretty high as you've pointed out<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:12] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:18] <dlewis> I'll start with media and orbitor<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:22] <dlewis> and see how they respond<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:24] <tkmedia_> yes orbiters.... some how one orbiter doesnt ahndle eveyhting perfectly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:44] <jimbodude> perfect. anything else on this topic?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:50] <jondecker76> as well as options to make orbiter FASTER<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:09] <jondecker76> like a syncronized local mysql database if the device has the housepower<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:17] <jondecker76> *horsepower<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:26] <jimbodude> last topic - meeting scheduling and asynchronous meeting capabilities.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:27] <dlewis> i like that idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:54] <tkmedia_> and a mobile MD <br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:10] <jondecker76> as well as a real-time rendering option<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:12] <jondecker76> etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:24] <jondecker76> yes, a web-based MD even<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:51] <tkmedia_> i want a MD in my car that syncronizes with the home<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <dlewis> nice<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <jondecker76> but anyways, yes - a lot of options with those choices<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:13] <jimbodude> first - thank you dlewis for taking care of this meeting. I apologize that I was unable to reschedule the previous one due to a ridiculous amount of things happening in my life all at the same time.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:38] <dlewis> jimbodude: thanks for running the meeting<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:30] <jimbodude> next - scheduling is a bit of a pain over IRC - I propose a mailing list. This also gives us the ability to talk about things asynchronously, but out of the public eye. Especially useful for things that require followup - like this 501c3 effort and LinuxFund.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:41] <jondecker76> yes, thank you both<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:43] <jimbodude> thoughts?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:55] <jimbodude> jondecker76, dlewis: I do what I can.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:12] <dlewis> and you do it well :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:17] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:20] <dlewis> (with mailing list)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:26] <dlewis> Hari would be the guy for that.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:49] <jimbodude> do we have mailing lists in place already? or is this an "all-new" thing?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:06] <jimbodude> I'll take that as a "no" or a "nobody knows"...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:39] <jimbodude> ok - so lets go with this - I'll be making a mailing list to help with meeting scheduling and followup items.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:51] * TSCHAKeee idly wonders if the lurkers in this channel have anything to say? :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:10] <jimbodude> if you'd like to be on it, PM your e-mail address to me on the forum<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:29] <jimbodude> TSCHAKeee: I've been wondering the same thing... :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:52] <jimbodude> with that - the agenda is exhausted. Is there any other business?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:48:26] <jondecker76> no, i think everything was covered quite well<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:01] <dlewis> nice<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:07] <dlewis> welcome jimbodude<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:11] <dlewis> you may begin ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:14] <jimbodude> morning.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:26] <jimbodude> lucky me :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:44] <jimbodude> ok, first - a few follow-ups from last meeting.<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:50] <jimbodude> any issues with the minutes?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:04:51] <TSCHAKeee> am ere<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:01] <dlewis> word<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:04] <TSCHAKeee> non issues with the minutes.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:05] <dlewis> good crowd<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:05:55] <jimbodude> ok, if any come up - let me know.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:09] <tkmedia_> I just want to great job guys<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:23] <tkmedia_> say<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:31] <jimbodude> any additions/changes to today's agenda? http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/20090519Agenda -<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:46] <jondecker76> jimbodude, I have a last-minute addition<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:46] <possy> DVD Install => blocker for beta?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:48] <dlewis> jimbodude: don't think so<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:06:55] <dlewis> (guess not)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:06] <jondecker76> discussion of mythtv tv_shows_* directory structure<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:15] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:33] <totallymaxed> I think DVD install is pretty important for Beta personally<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:47] <jondecker76> i agree on the DVD install for beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:07:53] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:01] <possy> totallymaxed, do you have any resources that you can throw at the DVD install process?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:32] <totallymaxed> yes...possibly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:37] <jimbodude> ok added.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:57] <jimbodude> let's follow up with the stuff from last meeting quickly, then dive into those items.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:08:57] <TSCHAKeee> cool<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:06] <totallymaxed> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:09] <Zaerc> I think it is pretty futile to build a dvd for a beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:25] <jimbodude> does someone have logging on, by the way? so we can grab a transcript at the end?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:28] <TSCHAKeee> why? we need to test the process and make sure it works<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:34] <Zaerc> but I guess I will leave you guys to figure that out on your own<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:50] <possy> TSCHAKeee, ACK<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:53] <tkmedia_> jimbo i have logging on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:09:57] <jimbodude> First item - from Hari last week - standardized testing of all components. any progress or comments on this?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:11] <jimbodude> thanks tkmedia_.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:25] <TSCHAKeee> this hasn't been worked on. I don<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:44] <TSCHAKeee> ...erm, wouldn't know where to begin.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:10:54] <jimbodude> ok, do we still think that is a worth-while thing to do? does anyone want to start to tackle it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:04] <jondecker76> i think it should be more of a long term goal, to standardize testing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:20] <TSCHAKeee> yes it is a worthwhile thing to do, we'll figure this stuff out in the medium to long term<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:44] <totallymaxed> bringing standardised testing now sounds like a massive project in its own right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:11:52] <jimbodude> ok - well, someone needs to put the infrastructure in place - maybe we could decide who that should be and what it should/should not look like? or shall we deffer?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:30] <TSCHAKeee> defer until after this release.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:33] <TSCHAKeee> we still have more to learn<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:44] <jimbodude> I agree, any other opinions?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:12:55] <dlewis> I agree with TSCHAKeee<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:03] <jondecker76> i agree as well<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:08] <jimbodude> ok. that sounds good for now.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:18] <tkmedia_> yes but everyone shpould keep an eye as they go through stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:19] <jimbodude> next topic - 0810 release scheduling.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:13:55] <jimbodude> progress on scheduling? any target dates? milestones?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:30] * jimbodude listens to crickets<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:44] <TSCHAKeee> hm<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:46] <possy> I have cleaned up lots of tickets to point to the right milestones (imho)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:14:56] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:01] <TSCHAKeee> *thumbs-through-them*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:10] <possy> We currently have 6 or even 7 (with dvd install) open tickets for Beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:32] <jimbodude> ok. a more fundamental question - do we have the right milestones - i.e. are they fine grained enough?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:33] <possy> some of them look like they already are completed, jondecker76 might has more say in some of them<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:56] <possy> jimbodude, we will have some additional milestones for rc's imho<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:15:57] <jondecker76> i looked through mine and all open ones still have some things that need done<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:10] <jondecker76> i may change the milestones on them to RC though<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:16] <possy> jondecker76, would you mind maybe detailing what really needs to get done.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:21] <possy> and what is already working<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:32] <TSCHAKeee> we're doing pretty well, 28 open tickets for 0810, and all of em look pretty small.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:41] <jondecker76> most of them are features, so nothing really blocking on those<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:43] <jimbodude> ok. so it sounds like possy has that pretty well under control - thanks.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:52] <jondecker76> just one that I feel is a blocker, thats improving the backup system<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:16:56] <jimbodude> and from what I've seen - it looks like bug reporting is getting better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:02] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:21] <jimbodude> ok - do we need to talk about the backup today?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:47] <jondecker76> its detailed pretty well in the ticket<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:17:51] <possy> yep<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:21] <jimbodude> ok. so how about release dates - do we have any target dates? do we want to make/adjust some?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:27] <possy> no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:43] <jimbodude> even if we don't make them public...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:18:49] <possy> no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:27] <TSCHAKeee> not yet<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:32] <totallymaxed> what about the problem recently with sqlCVS etc...how to protect against that? Is that worth some discussion?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:43] <possy> I feel that this release has to many pitfalls, and we have to many unknowns. We have the blockers for the beta. Let's get the beta out, and see how users reacht.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:19:51] <possy> totallymaxed, I am in the middle of that.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:09] <jimbodude> ok. so no release schedule for now - deffer until beta. good nuf?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:15] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:16] <possy> yep<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:21] <jondecker76> re:sqlCVS - the best we can do is make sure we all follow a standard protocol of making sure we run a validation before our commits<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:33] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:43] <TSCHAKeee> somehow FK_Users_Maintainer got set to 1 on a bunch of records<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:44] <dlewis> as an FYI, I plan to reach out to a few people on the forum that I've noticed have skill-sets to help us out (PHP masters, etc...). We'll see how it goes...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:53] <possy> jondecker76, even that does not guard against failure, as has been proven by tkmedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:20:59] <TSCHAKeee> and it caused a massive clusterfuck when we tried to remove the real cause of the problem.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:12] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: good.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:18] <jimbodude> shall we add sqlCVS to the agenda, or is it under control?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:20] <tkmedia_> ya i am good at braking stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:25] <possy> TSCHAKeee, it seems sqlCVS is alive again.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:26] <jondecker76> would the problem have been caught before hand if a diff was run first?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:32] <possy> tkmedia_, again, it was not your fault.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:32] <TSCHAKeee> possy: good.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:34] <TSCHAKeee> whew<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:41] <possy> jondecker76, no<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:21:56] <TSCHAKeee> there was nothing in the batches to correlate what had happened<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:06] <jondecker76> interesting<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:08] <TSCHAKeee> at least, i couldn't find any.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:15] <jimbodude> ok - next item - Bug reporting.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:17] <possy> jondecker76, I fixed a hefty bug in rubyCodes.php last night<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:25] <possy> jondecker76, that might help in the future<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:37] <jondecker76> great, i will check svn and see what it was<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:42] * possy did not really fix it, but put some duct tape around it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:50] <jimbodude> Looks like everyone has improved bug reporting - by both reporting more things, and making better reports.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:22:55] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:11] <jimbodude> has anyone had time to review my work on http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Bug_Reporting ? There are probably some pretty big holes...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:31] <jimbodude> One of which - I need to make it more LinuxMCE-specific.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:23:44] <jimbodude> any other comments on bug reporting in general or that work?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:25] <jimbodude> ok then. I'll continue on that track.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:37] <TSCHAKeee> cool<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:24:52] <jimbodude> possy: next item is yours - taking care of milestones. sounds like you're well on your way there<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:05] <possy> looks like it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:34] <jimbodude> ok, anything in particular we need to know?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:36] <possy> one note on your document re bug reporting: Try to not to write too much. People tend not to read articles that are too long ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:55] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:56] <possy> jimbodude, on the milestones? no, not really.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:25:59] <possy> I discovered<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:26:18] <possy> that you can easily move a whole bunch of tickets over to a new milestone (after the fact that I did it manually) ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:26:53] <jimbodude> next item - high importance defects (not features). whos got some?<br />
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[Tue May 19 2009] [10:27:02] <jimbodude> (we'll get to installer and backup in a minute)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:27:30] <jondecker76> IR/GSD bugs<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:01] <tkmedia_> I am sure if i test my sony chenger there are some lingering ones<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:05] <jondecker76> I am working on them, things have just gotten really busy over the last few weeks, so my progress is slowing to a crawl at the moment<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:10] <possy> jondecker76, that seems to the biggest one, after the USB stuff got fixed thanks to uplink<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:35] <jondecker76> yes, I will get to it - just waiting for my break from work to come up<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:28:52] <jimbodude> ok. anything you need help with there jondecker76?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:03] <totallymaxed> uplink by the way was working a long day yesterday...so is not able to join us<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:09] <jondecker76> not really, just a lot of time-consuming testing and debugging<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:42] <possy> what is everybody elses take on MythTV stability?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:29:43] <TSCHAKeee> we need to get uplink a beer for solving the serial converter bug in HAL. :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:03] <possy> i.e. ticket #195<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:14] <TSCHAKeee> MythTV is _very_ stable for me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:18] <jondecker76> i have some idea on myth stability<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:25] <TSCHAKeee> I use an HDHomeRun and a WinTV PVR-USB2<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:27] <totallymaxed> he he...uplink <glug> drinks your health ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:30] <jondecker76> but its been very very stable for most everyone I've talked to<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:50] <possy> jondecker76, could talk to chris_HGAIT about his problems?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:55] <dlewis> possy: what's your opinion on it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:30:58] <jimbodude> possy: I have not read 195. right now - my MythTV_Plugin causes the router to reload every 5-15 minutes. once the router hits the 200 reload limit, mythbackend runs fine on its own.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:02] <jondecker76> yes, I will follow up with him some more<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:23] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: i do notice an interesting bug where mythtv shows are showing up twice if they get stored on my USB disk...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:29] <possy> dlewis, I don't use MythTV, as MythTV and bad reception is a recipe for disaster. And I prefer VDR for the settop box like appearance.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:42] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:52] <dlewis> hence your query<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:53] <jondecker76> ok, i've noted both mythtv bugs and will follow up on them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:58] <TSCHAKeee> us americans can't use VDR.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:31:59] <possy> k<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:06] <jimbodude> ok thanks jondecker76.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:13] * possy pats TSCHAKeee on the head - it will be okay...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:23] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: you can use vdr...but its not that easy<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:24] <TSCHAKeee> that's okay, we can out-schedule you<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:27] <TSCHAKeee> hehehehe :P :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:30] Quit simnet has left this server ("Leaving").<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:35] <jimbodude> next item - critical features outstanding?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:49] <possy> Pizza ordering from the Orbiter<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:54] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:32:54] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:07] <jimbodude> robotic beer retriever...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:09] <dlewis> jimbodude: microphones on the webpads<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:11] <TSCHAKeee> yes, and where is my Giggidy button? :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:19] <dlewis> i beleive tkmedia_ found something interesting the other day<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:20] <jondecker76> do we have plans to remove Remote-Assistance features?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:20] <totallymaxed> ZWave Pizza oven template?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:27] <dlewis> jondecker76: why remove it?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:30] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: no, they are staying in.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:35] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: we just need to re-enable it.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:36] <jondecker76> it crashes orbiter currently<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:39] <jondecker76> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:53] <TSCHAKeee> it works _very_ well, it was just disabled because of one feature<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:33:58] <jimbodude> ok, any comments on microphones on webpads?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:05] * dlewis plans to look into it Remote-Assitance<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:15] <jondecker76> I think we should also do Linux orbiter build to make an Ubuntu deb<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:18] <TSCHAKeee> jimbodude: lots of stuff to deal with there, not gonna be easy.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:25] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: agreed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:32] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: make a series of alien-able packages<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:43] <jondecker76> yes, that would be great<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:34:48] <jimbodude> agreed - from what I saw when I looked into it - overwhelming. I would not call it critical.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:05] <jimbodude> that would be very nice.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:14] * dlewis steps off soap box and walks to the back of the room...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:18] <jimbodude> someone want to look into that?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:28] * TSCHAKeee watches all the eyes point to me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:40] <TSCHAKeee> uh<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:41] <jondecker76> sure, TSCHAKeee will do it :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:43] <TSCHAKeee> :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:47] <jimbodude> perfect :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:35:58] <TSCHAKeee> if i may interject.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:04] <TSCHAKeee> I am working on the Generic HID handler<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:17] <TSCHAKeee> it'll be the first new major piece of code in orbiter.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:36:36] <TSCHAKeee> but essentially, it should allow for the GYR3101US and other HID based remotes that emit special keys to work.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:01] <jondecker76> for prosperity's sake, lets make a trac ticket on it for now so It doesn't get lost<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:05] <jimbodude> anything else? next stop - DVD install - blocker, or not? how difficult to implement?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:31] <TSCHAKeee> right now, it relies on a vmware installation<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:41] <jondecker76> I wouldn't exactly call it a blocker, but it will need done eventually anyways... and it does need thorough testing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:37:51] <jondecker76> and it would attract a much larger beta user base<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:02] <TSCHAKeee> we have _no_ idea what needs to be done to it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:07] <jimbodude> I would say blocker - mostly because of the need to test.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:09] <possy> hari's suggestion on the DVD install was, to get rid of the VMWare way, and use chroot'ed stuff instead.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:31] <TSCHAKeee> because the build system has been modified substantially since we started, mostly by Zaerc.. he would be the one who would be able to comment on that....<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:38:41] <TSCHAKeee> if we can do that, then cool.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:02] <totallymaxed> DVD install could be a repos with installer...instead of a Live Disc type install like 0710...possy suggested this earlier<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:17] <jondecker76> the advantage of the vmware way is ease of testing.. savign states and reverting back to them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:41] <totallymaxed> That would be a simpler proposition than an 0710 style DVD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:39:49] <possy> totallymaxed, having the repo on the DVD saves a lot of hammering on deb.lmce.org<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:01] <jondecker76> totallymaxed, that is a very interesting idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:05] <jimbodude> I would like to see us use the package installers, use a local DVD repo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:25] <possy> jimbodude, what package installer are you talking about?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:57] <jimbodude> dpkg / apt-get... just use a modified version of the install scripts we have now, but point the repos to the DVD...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:40:59] <Zaerc> I have not modified the build system substantially<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:03] <jimbodude> unless I'm way off base...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:21] <Zaerc> in fact I have tried to keep it as close to the way it was as I could<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:30] <TSCHAKeee> Zaerc: okay.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:32] <possy> jimbodude, at the moment, we can't have a meta deb.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:48] <totallymaxed> jimbodude: yep thats what i was thinking too<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:54] <tkmedia_> funny comment in main channel<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:41:55] <tkmedia_> [10:19] <mandingoceo> so if you have to reinstall from scratch just copy the cache back after a fresh install and then everything takes about 20 min to install<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:02] <possy> jimbodude, I am not saying that it is not possible, but lots of work.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:09] <tkmedia_> any relevance<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:30] <possy> tkmedia_, not really. It takes me 20-30 minutes to install from my local buildserver repo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:33] <jimbodude> possy: right - but we still know what packages to install - we don't need a meta-deb... that would be neat, but we don't need it right now.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:42:35] <tkmedia_> k<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:19] <totallymaxed> so doing the same from DVD based repos would be marginally slower but still way faster than a remote repos<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:25] <possy> jimbodude, we have too many things going on inbetween. There is a reason, why the current installer works the way it does. We might be able to change that, but that task is no small one.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:29] <possy> totallymaxed, correct.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:42] <totallymaxed> and it would make the whole thing easier for more people to get involved with<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:43] <possy> totallymaxed, especially if we add ubuntu stuff onto the DVD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:47] <jimbodude> ok - so lets step back a moment out of this technical discussion - and go for the simple question - blocker, or not?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:48] <possy> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:43:57] <totallymaxed> possy right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:08] <totallymaxed> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:13] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:33] <Zaerc> not<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:44:57] <TSCHAKeee> Zaerc: am just curious, why not? what should we do?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:01] <possy> More and more people are trying the alpha's. People don't seem to be too afraid of using the alpha based software these days<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:01] <jimbodude> Zaerc: seems you're in the minority - can you expand a bit?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:16] <Zaerc> I just think it's not a blocker for the beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:45:46] <TSCHAKeee> okay.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:00] <jondecker76> but how and when would we test a dvd installer then?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:02] <totallymaxed> my view is that if we go Beta with the installprocess as it is now... we will end up spending 80% of our time helping people do the install<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:08] <Zaerc> there already is an installer that mostly works, except for the frequent oopses<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:15] <jimbodude> Zaerc: I don't think the feature is a blocker for beta - but my worry would be testing... there will be plenty of good technical people available to test in beta stages - release, not so much... those people don't even read the FAQ...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:19] <totallymaxed> what we want is people to install and test the actual functionality and stability<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:23] <possy> The main problem with the current installer seem to be download problems.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:38] <Zaerc> I don't see a dvd as a requirment for a beta<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:46:58] <TSCHAKeee> not a... requirement... but it will help, and we do need to test that part of it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:03] <TSCHAKeee> we haven't done anything with it at all<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:24] <Zaerc> if it's not a requirment then it's not a blocker imo<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:47:52] <possy> imho, the beta should contain what eventually will be released. If we don't have a rudimentary DVD installer, we won't have a DVD installer in release.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:01] <jimbodude> I would expect the beta to be as close to release as possible.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:08] <possy> jimbodude, aye<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:14] <jimbodude> and I would expect an installer in the release...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:16] <Zaerc> a beta is a test version, you're confused with a release candidate<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:35] <jimbodude> no, release candidate is ready to go out the door...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:47] <Zaerc> indeed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:48:49] <totallymaxed> possy Im in agreement on that<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:29] <totallymaxed> the beta should be as close to release as possible I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:37] <jimbodude> it seems we are mostly in agreement. can we have a quick poll - blocker, not.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:43] <jimbodude> blocker.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:44] <possy> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:46] <jondecker76> I also expect a beta to have a pretty close featureset as the release<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:49:52] <jondecker76> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:11] <Zaerc> suit yourselves<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:12] <totallymaxed> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:26] <TSCHAKeee> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:40] <jimbodude> ok. someone want to head up that effort?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:40] <dlewis> blocker<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:50:54] <possy> jimbodude, didn't totallymaxed already signed up?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:14] <totallymaxed> Hmmm...well I guess I did to some extent :-(<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:32] <jimbodude> oh, I missed that. you still ok with that totallymaxed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:33] <TSCHAKeee> poor uplink<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:51:54] <totallymaxed> ...thats me with a lot of Uplink ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:52:15] <totallymaxed> yeah... we'll commit to that<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:52:33] <jimbodude> ok - jondecker76 - next topic is yours. MythTV recording directory structure.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:20] <jimbodude> jondecker76: can you introduce what is going on there?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:23] <jondecker76> ok, please see http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/jondecker76/tv_shows_madness-1.png<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:46] <jondecker76> right now, a sepparate tv_shows_* directory is made for each media directory<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:53:57] <jondecker76> this gets messy really quick, as my screenshot illustrates<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:23] <jondecker76> the reasoning is that technically, each media director (myth front end) can have its own recording schedule<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:40] <jondecker76> and with a single directory, this could cause filename conflicts<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:41] <jimbodude> hehe (for the log - jondecker76 has 9 tv_shows_* directories in the media file sync view of the web admin - and it looks ridiculous)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:54:58] <jondecker76> but in my experience, this would rarely, if ever happen<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:16] <jondecker76> its even worse, that when I rip a dvd and I am prompted for a directory name, I see all 9 of them each time<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:32] <jimbodude> jondecker76: have you determined if this file name overlap restriction is true of the newer myth version?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:33] <jondecker76> I would like to see ALL mythtv recordings go into /home/public/data/mythtv<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:55:50] <possy> jondecker76, thats like VDR in 710<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:03] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: but then we don't see them in videos<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:06] <jondecker76> I don't think it was ever a mythtv restriction<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:24] <possy> TSCHAKeee, yes you do, if you modify UpdateMedia startup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:28] <jondecker76> ok, how about /home.public/data/videos/mythtv?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:38] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:43] <possy> jondecker76, no need<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:48] <jondecker76> i would prefer it not to be its own subdir<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:49] <jondecker76> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:56:54] <jondecker76> what does everyone think?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:20] <possy> i am for a dedicated pvr subdir structure under data<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:20] <totallymaxed> sounds logical<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:37] <totallymaxed> good idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:41] <jimbodude> I do not like the way its done now - very confusing for the end user, and doesn't seem to enable any features. one dir sounds great.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:43] <jondecker76> how about a pvr directory that both myth and vdr could use... depending on whats installed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:48] <possy> especially, as you are able to record audio and video with vdr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:57:56] <possy> jondecker76, aye<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:03] <jimbodude> even better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:05] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: videos/tv_shows ?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:11] <jondecker76> what does vdr use currently?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:23] <totallymaxed> VDRTV<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:27] <possy> jondecker76, in 710 we have VDRTV under data<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:37] <TSCHAKeee> sigh<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:38] <possy> in 810 we are using the default /var/lib/video.00<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:39] <jondecker76> TSCHAKeee - I agree with possy that we don't make it a subdir of Videos, and modify UpdateMedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:39] <TSCHAKeee> grrrr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:40] <totallymaxed> but thats not good either<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:42] Join qball4 has joined this channel (n=qball4@24.14.61.250).<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:58:52] <possy> jondecker76, we don't need to modify UpdateMedia<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:01] <possy> jondecker76, TSCHAKeee, we just need to modify the startup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:07] <TSCHAKeee> jondecker76: i want the tv shows to show up under videos, and modify the file browser appropriately to show them better.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:07] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:09] <jondecker76> even better<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:24] <possy> TSCHAKeee, they end up in the video browser, no matter where they are<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:27] <jondecker76> ok, so this would satisfy everything then<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:34] <jimbodude> in my opinion - the recorded stuff is different that what I put in videos anyway... and should be separate.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [10:59:56] <jondecker76> i'm with jimbodude on this one, but I don't mind either way really<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:13] <jimbodude> ok, is there any discontent with that solution - technical issues or otherwise?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:26] <jondecker76> re: directory name, we should pick something agnostic in case more PVR softwares emerge in the future<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:34] <jondecker76> i.e. /home/public/data/pvr<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:35] <possy> jondecker76, I am not using any hierarchie for my stuff, I just choose public for ripped stuff, and use the browser to get to it based on the tags<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:00:54] <possy> so I really don't care that much, but I think having it under a dedicated dir is cleaner solution<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:14] <possy> especially as VDR has the nasty behaviour to delete stuff when it needs room ...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:19] <jondecker76> so can we agree that we will work together so that both VDR and Mythtv use the data/pvr directory?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:26] <jimbodude> ok - jondecker76 - this is also yours, deferred from last meeting: Discuss possibility of running our own new_install script on www.linuxmce.org and assigning our own installation ID's<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:40] <jondecker76> and I will update the scripts to create the symlinks to other storage devices?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:48] <TSCHAKeee> yup<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:01:52] <possy> jondecker76, i am for it. let s see what totallymaxed new vdr installer does<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:05] <jondecker76> ok, I will start work on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:14] <jondecker76> re: new install script<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:25] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: sounds good to me<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:37] <jondecker76> I don't have much faith that the plutohome website will be around much longer..<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:02:59] <jondecker76> and I think we should do our own new_install script to hand out new installation numbers<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:03:54] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: do we need installation no's?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:23] <possy> totallymaxed, yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:34] <jondecker76> if we ever plan on finishing off the possibility of sharing installations...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:35] <possy> not now<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:37] <totallymaxed> we use them for dianemo...but in the 'Post Pluto' world do they make sense?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:40] <possy> but later on.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:55] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: how else will we be able to do video phone calls between houses? ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:04:55] <possy> I think they are helpful for adding functionality later on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:06] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: or connecting houses together...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:07] <possy> TSCHAKeee, LDAP<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:09] * possy runs<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:11] <jondecker76> I think we need them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:26] <totallymaxed> possy TSCHAKeee jondecker76 ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:30] <jondecker76> but I also think we need to take over the script<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:05:56] <jondecker76> now its just how to do it... should we start all over at 0?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:05] <jondecker76> if not, how do we gracefully sync to plutohome's db?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:30] <jondecker76> on option would be to create 2 new scripts on our server<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:30] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: you mean for previous installs?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:45] <dlewis> i agree with jondecker76<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:50] <dlewis> we might want to use our stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:54] <dlewis> and not pluto's page<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:54] <jondecker76> on script to sync with what plutohome handed out<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:06:58] <TSCHAKeee> we do two things:<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:10] <TSCHAKeee> (1) grab the next number from plutohome<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:12] <jondecker76> and if plutohome site is down, then call our own version, which will continue on<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:19] <TSCHAKeee> use that as starting point<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:37] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: why not just start our own sequence now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:38] <TSCHAKeee> (2) and we push an update script which grabs installation #s and pushes them to our db<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:40] <jimbodude> is the installation ID an integer, or can we just put a letter in front...?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:46] <TSCHAKeee> it's an integer<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:51] <jimbodude> ok.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:53] <TSCHAKeee> of course, we can start our own sequence too<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:07:59] <possy> I am for our own sequence starting at 1000000<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:07] <TSCHAKeee> sounds good<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:10] <jondecker76> http://plutohome.com/new_installation.php<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:29] <dlewis> i agree with possy<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:32] <jondecker76> for those that havne't called it manually...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:08:36] <totallymaxed> I would suggest moving to our own infrastructure for all of this asap<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:02] <jondecker76> i agree, we need to be 100% self-reliant<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:02] <dlewis> does anyone know if hari has space/resources for all of this?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:05] <possy> iirc the installation id is the last thing where we are still using Pluto's infrastructure<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:14] <possy> dlewis, he has<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:16] <TSCHAKeee> are we using our own geoIP stuff now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:18] <totallymaxed> possy right<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:20] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:25] <jondecker76> dlewis, it would be a single PHP file addition<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:27] <possy> TSCHAKeee, jondecker76 did some stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:31] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:38] <jondecker76> yes, we are using our own GeoIP stuff now :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:48] <jondecker76> plus I updated the GeoIP database to most current<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:53] <totallymaxed> CHT hosts it own installation ID's by the way<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:09:56] <possy> TSCHAKeee, I modified the installer to use Kubuntu's information, and jondecker76 did the right thing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:23] <jondecker76> possy, your addition will still be called if the geoip script is down for some reason<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:38] <possy> jondecker76, ;) np I am fine with your work!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:10:47] <possy> totallymaxed, did you start with 0?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:02] <jondecker76> but it is live in the installer now, so it looks like the installation id thing is all that remains<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:03] <totallymaxed> Hmmm... no ;-)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:07] <jimbodude> ok - so sounds like we're coming to agreement. quick poll - LinuxMCE install script, or leave it.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:11] <jimbodude> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:18] <possy> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:26] <jondecker76> jimbodude, i have a few more points on this...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:26] <dlewis> LinuxMCE<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:39] <dlewis> jondecker76: go ahead<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:43] <jimbodude> alright, sorry - didn't mean to cut you off. continue.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:11:58] <jondecker76> shoudl we include a vendor-specific part of the ID?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:14] <jondecker76> for example 0000-123456<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:23] <jondecker76> 0000* will be linuxmce specific<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:42] <jondecker76> 0001* for example could be dienemo specific<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:43] <jondecker76> etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:12:53] <jondecker76> then the ID numbers will still follow suit<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:05] <jondecker76> aside from the 4-digit identifier for example<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:27] <totallymaxed> jondecker76: I think we will stick with out orn ID's as we already have system in the filed<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:30] <jondecker76> this would allow LMCE to talk to specific LMCE vendors in the future possibly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:13:32] <TSCHAKeee> i was going to try and use the installation #s as a phone number for the house.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:24] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: phone number, meaning?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:25] <jondecker76> ok, so foregoing any modifications to the installation numbers themselves, we all agree that we should be hosting the script?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:31] <jondecker76> and that we should start with what number?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:53] <jondecker76> dlewis: call LMCE ID 123456<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:14:55] <jondecker76> for example<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:01] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: if you dial it on the dial pad, it trunks out to an IAX server we host, that will allow you to call another LMCE house<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:04] Join uplink-lmce has joined this channel (n=uplink-l@host81-137-34-33.in-addr.btopenworld.com).<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:07] <uplink-lmce> hi :D<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:16] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: we do this so that when we have Video conferencing, we have a mechanism for it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:17] <jimbodude> I don't see a problem starting with 0... there's nothing tying installs together right now is there?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:18] <jondecker76> welcome uplink!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:25] <jondecker76> not currently<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:15:32] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: nice idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:08] * possy wonders how uplink-lmce will react, once he knows what totallymaxed committed to... ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:15] <TSCHAKeee> but we need something that can easily be (1) dialed from orbiter pad, (2) filtered to route to our IAX trunk<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:23] <jimbodude> it would be really neat if we had some data collection mechanism with the install too - like "tell us who you are" or grab hardware data - so we can have some user statistics.... but that's a little ways off I think.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:16:52] <possy> My reasoning for starting with a large number is would be, that all installation IDs have the same length (well at least the next 9mio)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:03] <totallymaxed> possy I got in early and let uplink-lmce in on the secret ;-<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:04] <jimbodude> so we have an install number, a name, and hardware data. then we can count users, decide what hardware is most important to support, etc.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:21] <possy> totallymaxed, I was j/k :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:17:35] <dlewis> jimbodude: definitely makes sense... we gotta look into privacy issues across countries...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:18:11] <jimbodude> yes, of course. privacy is always an issue - but I'm talking about minimal and voluntary data. a big project still.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:18:30] <jimbodude> and none of it public, of course.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:10] <jimbodude> anything else on this topic?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:21] <jimbodude> install ids - not data collection<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:38] <possy> install IDs - aye - data collection - nay<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:19:39] <TSCHAKeee> i'm for possy's sequence bias.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:15] <jondecker76> ok, se we roll our own ID's and start with 1000000 - agreed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:19] <jondecker76> I'll take the task<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:22] <jimbodude> I'm not worried about the start number - but I agree that we should have our own.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:28] <dlewis> i agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:20:52] <dlewis> jimbodude: let's document that start number and that JD has the task<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:07] <jimbodude> dlewis: it will be in the minutes, don't worry ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:10] * dlewis hopes jondecker76 likes the affinity JD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:22] <jondecker76> ok, sounds good<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:21:36] <jimbodude> ok. who was working on LinuxFund and 501c3?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:08] <jimbodude> that is the next topic. get us up to speed.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:22] <jondecker76> also along those lines, I think we need to discuss the LMCE foundation idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:35] <jondecker76> we need a governing body<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:22:50] <jondecker76> especially if we are to ever accept donations etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:14] * dlewis is assisting to lead the 501c3 stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:33] <jimbodude> ok dlewis. what's going on on that front?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:39] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee has the form and is planning to send it over to ddamron for review and signing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:23:51] <possy> ddamron, did you receive anything yet<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:04] <dlewis> possy: it hasn't been sent yet.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:04] <dlewis> I will be in Boston in a couple of weekends and plan to review the form with Thom<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:10] <dlewis> before sending it over to ddamron<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:24] <dlewis> so, I plan to physically watch the form being mailed to ddamron :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:43] <dlewis> danielK has already signed it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:24:46] <possy> hmm. ok. wasn't it suppose to be already filled out, and only waiting for a signature by ddamron.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:03] <TSCHAKeee> danielK's sig is on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:06] <TSCHAKeee> my sig is on it<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:19] <TSCHAKeee> ddamron's sig needs to be on it, then back to danielK's place for filing<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:20] <possy> why does it need to be reviewed?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:33] <TSCHAKeee> it doesn't.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:34] <possy> TSCHAKeee, put it in an envelope to Canada<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:41] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:45] <dlewis> then send it off then ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:25:51] <TSCHAKeee> *nod*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:01] <possy> TODAY!<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:03] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: who provided them money for the filing?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:04] <possy> ;)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:45] <dlewis> I believe its around $300 to register<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:26:56] <dlewis> ~$300<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:28] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: contact me about that...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:30] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:31] <dlewis> next<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:34] <dlewis> LinuxFund<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:39] <dlewis> I've been speaking with those guys<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:48] <dlewis> I had a healthy convo about how they can assist us<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:27:49] <dlewis> in short<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:28:36] <dlewis> they may be able to provide funding to, and I quote: "certain areas that would require extensive support/man power in order to get us over the hump and make us a real player in this space"<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:28:56] <dlewis> now<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:10] <jondecker76> I'm all for getting some support money for the most active and/or in-need dev(s)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:48] <jimbodude> yep, I'm ok with paying the good people.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:29:57] <dlewis> jondecker76: I would love to give money to our devs, but it doesn't even have to go to our devs, it can go to external resources as well (if our devs are busy).<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:04] <dlewis> but yes,<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:07] <dlewis> our devs come first<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:25] <jondecker76> yes, or even purchase of equipment/devices for devs to support<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:30:51] <dlewis> we need to solidify what the major pain point for us is<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:01] <dlewis> I spoke with Thom and he mentioned the media plugin<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:01] <jimbodude> a slightly different approach - how about Google Summer of Code?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:04] <jondecker76> personally, I'm not in need, nor do I contribute near as much as some of these guys. But the ones that do fit the criteria should be compensated, IMO<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:36] <dlewis> media plugin and alternative Orbitors<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:43] <dlewis> jimbodude: I'll be looking into that as well<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:44] <jondecker76> Google SOC is a good idea and they have a good program... someone would have to do a lot of legwork though<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:31:47] <dlewis> we missed the deadline<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:10] <jondecker76> never too early to start for next year<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:16] <jimbodude> I know we missed this year - but they do it every year... :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:28] <dlewis> yea, it does require a lot of questions to be answered<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:32:30] <jimbodude> they pay the kids well too... it's like $5k...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:10] <dlewis> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#org_apply<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:15] <jimbodude> anyhow - so we need to pick a focus area to get LinuxFund to help - is that where we are now?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:33:42] <dlewis> jimbodude: yes<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:08] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee mentioned debugging the media plugin and alternative Orbitors<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:13] <jimbodude> ok. and what is the timeline we are looking at? are we on a schedule with them, or are they waiting on us?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:27] <dlewis> since a majority of people use media<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:34:37] <dlewis> and we need more obitor support<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:35:34] <dlewis> jimbodude: i've been conversing with them... I'm waiting to hear back from them on the ideas i gave them<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:35:38] <dlewis> I'll follow up again today<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:36:33] <jimbodude> ok. so is everyone in agreement on those two focus areas? or do we need to get more specific...?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:27] <jondecker76> another focus area would be in the installation ID/VPN stuff<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:45] <TSCHAKeee> *nod*<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:48] <dlewis> jondecker76: would that make is a "real player" in this space<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:51] <dlewis> ?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:37:54] <jimbodude> I'm not sure that's user-focused enough...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:12] <jondecker76> aren't we already the only player??<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:13] <jondecker76> :P<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:21] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:25] <jimbodude> I like the orbiter alternatives the most... I think what we have is great - but most user complaints are on interface...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:25] <dlewis> I think TSCHAKeee idea on media and orbitor are huge pain points<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:32] <jondecker76> another possibility would be improved GSD<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:38:46] <jondecker76> so more people could make templates easier<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:05] <jondecker76> but the Media/Orbiter stuff is pretty high as you've pointed out<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:12] <dlewis> ok<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:18] <dlewis> I'll start with media and orbitor<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:22] <dlewis> and see how they respond<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:24] <tkmedia_> yes orbiters.... some how one orbiter doesnt ahndle eveyhting perfectly<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:44] <jimbodude> perfect. anything else on this topic?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:39:50] <jondecker76> as well as options to make orbiter FASTER<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:09] <jondecker76> like a syncronized local mysql database if the device has the housepower<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:17] <jondecker76> *horsepower<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:26] <jimbodude> last topic - meeting scheduling and asynchronous meeting capabilities.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:27] <dlewis> i like that idea<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:40:54] <tkmedia_> and a mobile MD <br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:10] <jondecker76> as well as a real-time rendering option<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:12] <jondecker76> etc<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:24] <jondecker76> yes, a web-based MD even<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:41:51] <tkmedia_> i want a MD in my car that syncronizes with the home<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <dlewis> lol<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <dlewis> nice<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:04] <jondecker76> but anyways, yes - a lot of options with those choices<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:13] <jimbodude> first - thank you dlewis for taking care of this meeting. I apologize that I was unable to reschedule the previous one due to a ridiculous amount of things happening in my life all at the same time.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:42:38] <dlewis> jimbodude: thanks for running the meeting<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:30] <jimbodude> next - scheduling is a bit of a pain over IRC - I propose a mailing list. This also gives us the ability to talk about things asynchronously, but out of the public eye. Especially useful for things that require followup - like this 501c3 effort and LinuxFund.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:41] <jondecker76> yes, thank you both<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:43] <jimbodude> thoughts?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:43:55] <jimbodude> jondecker76, dlewis: I do what I can.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:12] <dlewis> and you do it well :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:17] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:20] <dlewis> (with mailing list)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:26] <dlewis> Hari would be the guy for that.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:44:49] <jimbodude> do we have mailing lists in place already? or is this an "all-new" thing?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:06] <jimbodude> I'll take that as a "no" or a "nobody knows"...<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:39] <jimbodude> ok - so lets go with this - I'll be making a mailing list to help with meeting scheduling and followup items.<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:46:51] * TSCHAKeee idly wonders if the lurkers in this channel have anything to say? :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:10] <jimbodude> if you'd like to be on it, PM your e-mail address to me on the forum<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:29] <jimbodude> TSCHAKeee: I've been wondering the same thing... :)<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:47:52] <jimbodude> with that - the agenda is exhausted. Is there any other business?<br />
[Tue May 19 2009] [11:48:26] <jondecker76> no, i think everything was covered quite well</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=20090415Transcript&diff=1851320090415Transcript2009-04-15T15:37:59Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
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[10:08] <jimbodude> alright, I think we're back to where we were with attendance.<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> so, from time to time it may be nice to have a straw-poll vote. there will be a question followed by options in (). pick an option, say that. if you'd like to talk about your choice, also say "with rights" and we'll let you talk some more before moving on.<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> this keeps the vote quick.<br />
[10:10] <tkmedia_2> hang on<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> with that, on to status.<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> go ahead.<br />
[10:10] <tkmedia_2> are we exlcuding people who planned to log this<br />
[10:11] <tkmedia_2> or should we post a log for them<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> I'm not sure what you mean... I was planning on posting a transcript when we're done anyway.<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> yes.<br />
[10:11] <tkmedia_2> ok<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> all set then?<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> perfect.<br />
[10:11] <Zaerc> yes<br />
[10:12] <jimbodude> First component is DCERouter - there are no major bugs listed. Any status report needed here?<br />
[10:12] <jimbodude> ok. Orbiter. 3 major bugs.<br />
[10:13] <jimbodude> http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/ticket/153 RA button on orbiters/on-screen orbiters crashes the orbiter - anyone have eyes on this one and want to talk about where it is?<br />
[10:13] <jimbodude> (status wise)<br />
[10:14] <jimbodude> jondecker reported it... seems pretty well explained.<br />
[10:14] <Zaerc> seems more like an obsolete feature to me<br />
[10:14] <jimbodude> ok, would you mind commenting on the ticket with that note?<br />
[10:14] <Zaerc> not really tbh<br />
[10:15] <jimbodude> ok then.<br />
[10:15] <jimbodude> http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/ticket/160 JavaMO.jar missing for build<br />
[10:16] <jimbodude> looks like its fixed, just not marked. true?<br />
[10:16] <Zaerc> no idea<br />
[10:16] <hari> re #153, we don't even have RA active at the moment<br />
[10:16] <jimbodude> I mean in the comments - it says "everything compiles now"<br />
[10:17] <hari> so until we re-enable RA from the web interface i'd say we remove the button from the UI<br />
[10:17] <jimbodude> ok, thanks hari.<br />
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[10:17] <TSCHAKeee> erf<br />
[10:17] <jimbodude> morning TSCHAKeee. :)<br />
[10:17] <hari> jimbodude: autossh might be another option<br />
[10:17] <hari> to replace the old scripts<br />
[10:17] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: got my text? lol<br />
[10:17] <hari> technically RA is quite simple, it just logs onto the central server with ssh/pubkey and forward some ports back to the local installation<br />
[10:18] <hari> works through NAT, we just need a mechanism to assign tcp ports on the server<br />
[10:18] <hari> if sb wants to take on that for 0810, fine, server and such is there. If not, let's deactivate the buttons in the web admin and orbiter UI<br />
[10:18] <jimbodude> ok, sounds like we have some discussion needed about RA - remind me to bring it up when we get to design discussions. for now - lets plow through the bugs really fast.<br />
[10:19] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: yup thanks<br />
[10:19] <hari> re #160, the build works on linux with some dependencies<br />
[10:19] <hari> it will be integrated into the external add-on build system soonish<br />
[10:19] <jimbodude> ok. are you working on that hari?<br />
[10:19] <hari> till then, there is a place where sambuca drops the jar<br />
[10:20] <hari> jimbodude: yes, also the symbian v2 and v3 build<br />
[10:20] <hari> will automate those three builds<br />
[10:20] <jimbodude> alright - could you note that status on the ticket?<br />
[10:21] <Zaerc> doesn't seem like a "blocker" to me<br />
[10:21] <hari> there is no ticket for the auto build system yet<br />
[10:21] <hari> worst case i'll do a manual run for the v2 and v3 orbiters for the beta/release<br />
[10:21] <jimbodude> Zarec: yes, it could probably be downgraded to somewhere around major.<br />
[10:21] <hari> and the actual jar for the javamo resides on download<br />
[10:22] <hari> jimbodude: we shall ask sambucca if he wants to document place of the jar in the ticket<br />
[10:22] <jimbodude> ok. so 160 is being addressed well. perfect. any other comments on 160?<br />
[10:22] <TSCHAKeee> nope.<br />
[10:22] <hari> i think the worst bugs are the ones we have no tickets for yet ;-p<br />
[10:22] <jimbodude> hari: sure... I have no idea what's going on there... I just wrote the agenda... :P<br />
[10:23] <jimbodude> hari: getting to that... ;)<br />
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[10:23] <hari> jimbodude: my most important thing for this conference<br />
[10:23] <hari> we need to find and nail down outstanding bugs<br />
[10:23] <hari> and isolate non-finished features<br />
[10:23] <hari> but it is too much for a single person to test all things at a time<br />
[10:23] <hari> ppl would get crazy<br />
[10:24] <hari> and not everybody has all stuff in his installation<br />
[10:24] <jimbodude> so the drift I'm getting is that visiting individual bugs is not doing it for you guys - sound correct? shall we just skip into the meat? (yes | no)<br />
[10:24] <hari> there was a status page, i think it is in our wiki, derived from pluto, with 1-5 for implementation status<br />
[10:24] <hari> jimbodude: i'm fine reviewing individual bugs first<br />
[10:24] <hari> but i really want that topic adressed today, too<br />
[10:25] <Zaerc> jimbodude: yes<br />
[10:25] <dlewis> i'm with Zaerc<br />
[10:25] <jimbodude> alright - well lets just go to the interesting stuff then. I'm bored with bugs too...<br />
[10:25] <Zaerc> ok<br />
[10:26] <hari> so, that overview gave nice sections<br />
[10:26] <hari> for ha, telephony, media, ...<br />
[10:26] <hari> we need to enrich it, with specific test cases<br />
[10:26] <hari> and then assign at least 2 ppl for each test case/group<br />
[10:26] <hari> does that sound reasonable?<br />
[10:26] <jimbodude> yes, I like it a lot.<br />
[10:26] <hari> so we would be able to do a "full" test run in say 2-3 days<br />
[10:26] <hari> and have every subsystem checke<br />
[10:27] <hari> we do 2 or 3 iterations of that over the next weeks<br />
[10:27] <hari> that should (*hope*) give us a clear picture where we are and what needs to be fixed first<br />
[10:27] <Zaerc> fiire claimed they had developed all these wonderful test cases... but I guess they took them to their grave<br />
[10:28] <hari> Zaerc: what i've seen from aaron for now, i really appreciate his genius, but testing seems to be the same like sales for him<br />
[10:28] <hari> :-p<br />
[10:28] <hari> and when we look at the regression numbers in the 0710 betas...<br />
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[10:28] <hari> btw, the mantis is available as www/mantis-deact<br />
[10:29] <hari> i pulled it from public as it is exploitable<br />
[10:29] <totallymaxed> I think the 'test cases' were more Pluto driven than Fiire to be franks<br />
[10:29] <jimbodude> hari: have you started putting any of this together yet? in written form?<br />
[10:29] <tkmedia_2> my production system mostly 0810 now and have lots to test<br />
[10:29] <hari> jimbodude: yup, in this channel :-)<br />
[10:29] <jimbodude> good start. :)<br />
[10:29] <Zaerc> fiire != aaron<br />
[10:30] <Zaerc> but as we've never even seen them there is little point in beating adead horse<br />
[10:30] <totallymaxed> sure...but Fiire was just a marketing front ;-)<br />
[10:31] <hari> brb<br />
[10:31] <jimbodude> alright, so we need to write up some tests.<br />
[10:31] <Zaerc> I'll just have to take your word for that<br />
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[10:32] <tkmedia_2> 1. squeezeboom tested sucessfully on 0810 this AM<br />
[10:32] <jimbodude> everyone agree with the basics of hari's plan?<br />
[10:32] <tkmedia_2> pnp<br />
[10:32] <Zaerc> fine with me<br />
[10:33] <totallymaxed> sure<br />
[10:33] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[10:33] <tkmedia_2> sure<br />
[10:33] <jimbodude> hari: want to take the lead on that? I'm available to help as you see fit.<br />
[10:34] <jimbodude> he'll answer when he gets back...<br />
[10:34] <jimbodude> next agenda topic is release scheduling.<br />
[10:34] <TSCHAKeee> whoa, we have a schedule?<br />
[10:35] <jimbodude> basically, I see a release schedule as a way to focus developer efforts - even if it changes all the time.<br />
[10:35] <TSCHAKeee> *walks-around-all-dazed*<br />
[10:35] <jimbodude> TSCHAKeee: nope. that's why I put it on there.<br />
[10:35] <TSCHAKeee> ;)<br />
[10:35] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Meeting1Agenda<br />
[10:35] <TSCHAKeee> I know, i was being sarcastic. ;)<br />
[10:35] <Zaerc> oh you meant release-schedule<br />
[10:36] <jimbodude> generally speaking, if software projects want to be successful, they have a schedule - even if it's fairly vague.<br />
[10:36] <hari> jimbodude: want, yes, can, no<br />
[10:36] <jimbodude> what do you guys think about pulling together some milestones and dates for 0810 - even if we don't tell anyone about them?<br />
[10:36] <Zaerc> heh, I remember setting a rough date for the beta a few months ago<br />
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[10:37] <jimbodude> ok hari - I'll take point on it for now then. we can move it around later.<br />
[10:37] <Zaerc> since then I feel we've only been moving away from the beta<br />
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[10:38] <colinjones> :) ignore me, just catching up on the dev thread... too tired and drunk to contribute!<br />
[10:38] <jimbodude> I'm not sure "moving away" is quite right - a lot has come up, and a lot of new features are being added.<br />
[10:38] <Zaerc> well, that's what I call moving away<br />
[10:38] <totallymaxed> my feeling is that we need some kind of schedule...<br />
[10:38] <jimbodude> it seems, to me, that a lot of the issues we're having we've had for quite a while and they just aren't getting addressed.<br />
[10:39] <TSCHAKeee> the big one right now is getting media directors to boot<br />
[10:39] <jimbodude> If there were some milestone targets - for instance "release alpha 3, fixing the following issues: blah blah blah, on such and whatever date"<br />
[10:40] <jimbodude> we might be able to focus development power towards the ultimate goal.<br />
[10:40] <totallymaxed> without a schedule we're just drifting...jimbodude seems like a good idea<br />
[10:41] <jimbodude> any further thoughts?<br />
[10:41] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: I was working on that<br />
[10:41] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[10:42] <tkmedia_2> why isn't /Diskless_BuildDefaultImage.sh run in the post_install ?<br />
[10:42] <jimbodude> do you guys want to pull something together here, delegate for later work, or not have a schedule?<br />
[10:42] <Zaerc> but apparently we need a launch-manager instead of figuring the bootscripts out properly, so I kind of dropped it<br />
[10:43] <Zaerc> (or whatever it's supposed to be called these days)<br />
[10:43] <hari> Zaerc: i think both are way important<br />
[10:43] <TSCHAKeee> jimbodude: I know what I need to do from my perspective. my big one is getting mame to work, since the other big ones that were initially on my plate are dealt with.<br />
[10:44] <hari> Zaerc: otherwise we'd end up using dcewhisperer in the launchcore script ;-)<br />
[10:44] <TSCHAKeee> but anything else anybody decides to put on my plate is cool, just let me know<br />
[10:44] <totallymaxed> hari: great idea :-)<br />
[10:44] <hari> but the actual qt/dce interwoven mess had to be cleaned up<br />
[10:44] <jimbodude> well, I don't think the problem is people not doing their work - I think the problem is that tasks are getting overlooked because they don't have deadlines.<br />
[10:44] <hari> totallymaxed: i knew you'd like it<br />
[10:44] <Zaerc> dcewhisperer?<br />
[10:44] <hari> totallymaxed: really, why not, everything is better than the crap we had (and nobody understood)<br />
[10:44] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[10:44] <jimbodude> can you guys stay on topic for me please? we can deal with design stuff later. we're talking about scheduling now.<br />
[10:45] <TSCHAKeee> and it was. We now have a stable launching system again<br />
[10:45] <Zaerc> ok<br />
[10:45] <jimbodude> do you guys want to pull something together here, delegate for later work, or not have a schedule?<br />
[10:45] <TSCHAKeee> and one that can have the necessary UI attached to it.<br />
[10:45] <TSCHAKeee> I do.<br />
[10:46] <hari> Zaerc: the bits that could not be implemented in bash to do dce communications<br />
[10:46] <hari> so a bit of a GSD for bash :-p<br />
[10:46] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[10:46] <Zaerc> I don't see a need for it, but let's stay on topic<br />
[10:47] <Zaerc> and maybe discuss that later<br />
[10:47] <TSCHAKeee> i'm all for it, just give me stuff to do. I'll balance it with the remote work.<br />
[10:47] <hari> yeah, schedule is important<br />
[10:47] <hari> i always do stuff when approaching the deadline :-p<br />
[10:47] <jimbodude> I don't think we're at the point of assigning work... but if we all agree that we want to get certain things done by a certain date, we can make sure nothing gets overlooked at least.<br />
[10:48] <totallymaxed> agreed<br />
[10:48] <jimbodude> is that the general consensus? no major objections?<br />
[10:48] <Zaerc> none here<br />
[10:48] <jimbodude> shall we start hashing something out now, or assign it as a task to someone?<br />
[10:48] <TSCHAKeee> i'm cool<br />
[10:49] <jimbodude> alright... so let's look into it a bit now.<br />
[10:50] <jimbodude> let's talk about big things that don't work - not about why they don't work, just that they don't.<br />
[10:50] <tkmedia_2> MD booting<br />
[10:50] <jimbodude> what are the biggest broken things - with special focus on things that worked on 0710?<br />
[10:51] <tkmedia_2> KDE desktop on MD<br />
[10:51] <tkmedia_2> or lack there of<br />
[10:51] <totallymaxed> How to get back to Orbiter from KDE<br />
[10:51] <totallymaxed> ...if the LM is cli<br />
[10:51] <Zaerc> click workspace 3 for now<br />
[10:52] <TSCHAKeee> now that we have LM, I just make a plasmoid<br />
[10:52] <TSCHAKeee> which will reorder the workspace correctly<br />
[10:52] <jimbodude> ok, lets keep this out of fixes and design for a bit though.<br />
[10:52] <jimbodude> just broken things.<br />
[10:52] <hari> do we want/need kde?<br />
[10:52] <Zaerc> is the KDE bar still visible through UI2?<br />
[10:52] <jimbodude> Zaerc: I never see it.<br />
[10:52] <hari> i mean do ppl use the desktop feature on the living room tv?<br />
[10:52] <totallymaxed> desktop oversizing at HD resolutions...<br />
[10:52] <tkmedia_2> i use my MD as daily computer using kde<br />
[10:52] <TSCHAKeee> (the LM keeps track of the on screen orbiter, and can be used to reorder to the right places<br />
[10:53] <TSCHAKeee> hari: I do.<br />
[10:53] <totallymaxed> yes we do use the desktop on living room TV's<br />
[10:53] <Zaerc> hari: yes amongst other things to use ktorrent<br />
[10:53] <TSCHAKeee> all I need to do is talk to jondecker76 on the client socket protocol<br />
[10:53] <TSCHAKeee> and I can make a plasmoid to do this correctly<br />
[10:53] <jimbodude> ok, back to broken things - KDE stuff gets added to the list<br />
[10:54] <TSCHAKeee> once i know what to do, it's only an hour or so of work.<br />
[10:54] <totallymaxed> ...at HD resolutions like 720p or 1080i... the desktop is incorrectly sized on TV's<br />
[10:54] <tkmedia_2> login problem on MD<br />
[10:54] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: yeah, it's somewhat ironic, we override everything, and in the process lose any automatic DPI info we need to display desktop fonts at the right size.<br />
[10:55] <totallymaxed> correct TSCHAKeee<br />
[10:55] <tkmedia_2> Auto detect of USBUIRT<br />
[10:55] <jimbodude> how about some of the other components - like telecom... game... web admin...<br />
[10:55] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: I like your list... keep it rolling.<br />
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[10:56] <tkmedia_2> ir codes in sqlcvs<br />
[10:56] <TSCHAKeee> i think jondecker has been steadily hacking away at that one<br />
[10:56] <tkmedia_2> yes<br />
[10:57] <tkmedia_2> just want it on the the list<br />
[10:57] <tkmedia_2> so it dont get missed<br />
[10:57] <jimbodude> exactly.<br />
[10:57] <jimbodude> it has a ticket too - which is nice. #119.<br />
[10:57] <jimbodude> (we'll talk about that later)<br />
[10:58] <jimbodude> alright, so I think that's a pretty complete list for now.<br />
[10:58] <dlewis> we definitely need to work on upgrading telecom<br />
[10:58] <tkmedia_2> serial detection<br />
[10:58] <dlewis> making more devices PnP<br />
[10:58] <jimbodude> ok, I guess we can make it more complete... :)<br />
[10:58] <TSCHAKeee> now that we have a working media director phone combo<br />
[10:58] <tkmedia_2> cisco 7070 wrong room problem<br />
[10:59] <TSCHAKeee> telecom plugin bugs are really coming out of the woodwork<br />
[10:59] <tkmedia_2> 7970<br />
[10:59] <jimbodude> you guys just keep rolling - Now. someone needs to go through this list, prioritize it, assign things to milestones, and we need to agree on dates to hit the milestones.<br />
[11:00] <dlewis> do we have a comprehensive list of telecom bugs?<br />
[11:00] <tkmedia_2> Some issue with the sony changer.... certainly not release stoppers<br />
[11:00] <jimbodude> I don't think this is the best place to do that - maybe someone could come up with a draft, and 2-3 of the lead devs could review it. does that sound reasonable? any takers?<br />
[11:01] <jimbodude> dlewis: probably not - we're going to get to bug tracking next.<br />
[11:01] <TSCHAKeee> the big show stoppers right now are media director support, and certain devices not popping up like the UIRT and ZWave devices.<br />
[11:01] <tkmedia_2> I will test and put in trac<br />
[11:01] <TSCHAKeee> (both serial devices)<br />
[11:02] <jimbodude> I'm going to try to cut this in about a half hour to 40 minutes guys - just to keep it reasonable. after that, we can break out and dig in deeper on specific issues.<br />
[11:02] <tkmedia_2> yes not sure if the pnp scripts get passed to my tv if using a usb/serial adapter<br />
[11:02] * Zaerc agrees with TSCHAKeee, the rest can be fixed during the beta<br />
[11:02] <jimbodude> so back to my previous two points on scheduling - anyone want to take the lead on that?<br />
[11:02] <TSCHAKeee> please dear god anybody but me<br />
[11:03] <jimbodude> I'm not in any position to assign a task like that... so someone is going to have to volunteer or it's going to be left.<br />
[11:04] <Zaerc> ok I guess that means nobody feels like doing that, let's move on<br />
[11:04] <jimbodude> alrighty then.<br />
[11:05] <jimbodude> there's a note on the agenda from jondecker76 about update scheduling - we'll defer that until we have a release schedule...<br />
[11:05] <jimbodude> I'm also going to jump over his points about installation number generation for now - he's documented his thoughts pretty well in the agenda.<br />
[11:05] <jimbodude> to get to bug tracking.<br />
[11:05] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[11:05] <Zaerc> I'm a bit surprised that he's not here<br />
[11:06] <TSCHAKeee> probably at work<br />
[11:06] <jimbodude> so, I'm noticing a LOT of issues that people just "know about" that aren't documented in Trac.<br />
[11:06] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: since when is that an excuse? ;^)<br />
[11:07] * TSCHAKeee whistles <br />
[11:07] <jimbodude> I think that's a pretty bad practice with such a distributed team - we're losing track of what needs to be done.<br />
[11:07] <TSCHAKeee> I wish there was a brain dump plugin for trac<br />
[11:07] <jimbodude> it would be nice yes...<br />
[11:07] <TSCHAKeee> yeah...<br />
[11:07] <TSCHAKeee> you're right.<br />
[11:07] <Zaerc> jimbodude: tbh I gave up on using trac a long time ago<br />
[11:07] <jimbodude> and of course - I'm no angel... I just reported a bug yesterday that I've known about since I get 0810.<br />
[11:08] <jimbodude> yes, I've noticed that Zaerc.<br />
[11:08] <jimbodude> I think you're not the only one.<br />
[11:08] <tkmedia_2> should i flood it with what i have ..... i did not want to burden with my trivial bugs<br />
[11:08] <TSCHAKeee> yes please<br />
[11:08] <jimbodude> yes. that's what the priority scale is for.<br />
[11:08] <hari> we'd be lost without tracking<br />
[11:09] <totallymaxed> Well I'll commit to adding anything we have here to Trac...<br />
[11:09] <tkmedia_2> ok you asked for it<br />
[11:09] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[11:09] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: yup, we're interested to see what you guys run into for 0810<br />
[11:09] <TSCHAKeee> and half scared too<br />
[11:09] <jimbodude> Trac can help us determine where to focus developer efforts, give newbies a place to start working on stuff, and tell us where the project stands.<br />
[11:09] <jimbodude> it is essential that we use it - in my opinion.<br />
[11:10] <tkmedia_2> ok what about working things<br />
[11:10] <tkmedia_2> like the squeezboom<br />
[11:10] <totallymaxed> well we have a full time Core dedicated to testing 0810 now... so the flow from us should be greater going forwards<br />
[11:10] <tkmedia_2> so we dont duplicate effort<br />
[11:10] <jimbodude> I suggest we draft and agree on a bug reporting policy. We also need someone to keep an eye out and make sure we're not throwing bugs under the rug and ignoring them.<br />
[11:10] <TSCHAKeee> to tell you the truth, it's fucking amazing that we've gotten this far and not checked into the looney bin.<br />
[11:11] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: I'm not sure what you mean... there are no bug reports for things that work.<br />
[11:11] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: :-)<br />
[11:11] <tkmedia_2> yes but how do know what works unless we test<br />
[11:11] <jimbodude> right, TSCHAKeee, and as more people get added to the project, we're going to go nuttier.<br />
[11:11] <tkmedia_2> and this is a new item<br />
[11:11] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: that's where hari's testing plan comes in.<br />
[11:12] <tkmedia_2> k<br />
[11:12] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: patches should probably go through Trac also - so we have a ticket to reference the feature implementation.<br />
[11:12] <tkmedia_2> many things have already been tested<br />
[11:12] <jimbodude> but that's part of the policy that we haven't talked about yet.<br />
[11:12] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: right. and many things have not, or have not been tested well.<br />
[11:13] <jimbodude> which is where the test plan comes in.<br />
[11:13] <tkmedia_2> k<br />
[11:13] <jimbodude> so back to defect tracking.<br />
[11:14] <jimbodude> does that sound reasonable to everyone? report all bugs, prioritize correctly, keep the bug status up to date. do we want a written policy? something based on what I wrote earlier, something different?<br />
[11:14] <TSCHAKeee> that's fine to me<br />
[11:16] <Zaerc> fine with me too<br />
[11:16] <jimbodude> Ok, I'll volunteer to pull together a policy and wiki that. It will be based on what I've written here: http://jimbodude.net/wiki/Bug_Reporting -<br />
[11:16] <jimbodude> Any other comments on defect tracking?<br />
[11:17] <Zaerc> I thought that already was the policy<br />
[11:17] <Zaerc> yeah, anonymous users should only have read-only access<br />
[11:17] <TSCHAKeee> (1) is it broken?<br />
[11:17] <jimbodude> well, it's not really worded as a policy, and we never formally "agreed" on it. I'll reword it at bit and drop it on wiki.linuxmce.org<br />
[11:18] <TSCHAKeee> (2) Put in Trac, so we know, and wait<br />
[11:18] <TSCHAKeee> (3) or for big brownie points, hack on it and submit patch<br />
[11:18] <jimbodude> Zaerc: yes I agree.<br />
[11:19] <jimbodude> TSCHAKeee: yep, pretty much that.<br />
[11:19] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: (1b) is it really broken?<br />
[11:19] <jimbodude> alright. I'll pull that together. Zaerc, I can't help you with read only - you know better than I do who to talk to for that...<br />
[11:20] <Zaerc> jimbodude: tried that...<br />
[11:20] <jimbodude> any other comments here? if not, we're going to move on to the last topic - next meeting, if any - and be done here.<br />
[11:20] <Zaerc> but it's hard to talk to people who don't listen<br />
[11:21] <totallymaxed> Bi-weekly?<br />
[11:21] <jimbodude> ok. so the big question is - more meetings? was this useful?<br />
[11:21] <totallymaxed> Yes<br />
[11:21] <jimbodude> I think it was.<br />
[11:21] <Zaerc> yes<br />
[11:21] <TSCHAKeee> I am reminded of a certain Dave Barry quote.<br />
[11:22] <jimbodude> and I'll volunteer to continue pulling together agendas and such to keep them running.<br />
[11:22] <jimbodude> Ok, so how far do we want to space these? week, 2 week, month, other?<br />
[11:22] <TSCHAKeee> “If you had to identify, in one word, the reason why the human race has not achieved, and never will achieve, its full potential, that word would be "meetings” -Dave Barry<br />
[11:22] <dlewis> yes, very useful<br />
[11:23] <totallymaxed> 2 week looks good<br />
[11:23] <TSCHAKeee> yeah, 2 week is fine.<br />
[11:23] <tkmedia_2> or weekly to start<br />
[11:23] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: nice quote ;-)<br />
[11:24] <jimbodude> maybe next week to pull together some of the big things we have discussed here - like testing plan, scheduling, defect policy, then bi-weekly after that?<br />
[11:24] <Zaerc> I'd say weekly, keep 'em short and to thepoint<br />
[11:25] <jimbodude> alright. next week then? and we'll decide on permanent schedule then?<br />
[11:25] <totallymaxed> ok<br />
[11:25] <Zaerc> fine with me<br />
[11:25] <TSCHAKeee> all I'd really want is just a small set of stuff to work on for the next build.<br />
[11:25] <tkmedia_2> sounds good<br />
[11:25] <jimbodude> I'll do the leg work before the meeting. I need a bit of help with scheduling - I think we missed some people this week because of how I did things.<br />
[11:26] <Zaerc> maybe sundays is better for some?<br />
[11:26] <tkmedia_2> be nice to have jondecker here<br />
[11:26] <totallymaxed> or evenings his time<br />
[11:26] <totallymaxed> what timezone is he in?<br />
[11:26] <TSCHAKeee> that's the other thing too, the one thing we DO NOT need on this project is burnout<br />
[11:27] <totallymaxed> Agreed<br />
[11:27] <Zaerc> totallymaxed: if you like having these meetings at 3am...<br />
[11:27] <TSCHAKeee> this project has the highest potential burnout and turnover rate in the history of time :P<br />
[11:27] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[11:27] <jimbodude> well, I think this meeting is much more intense than what we'll have going forward to begin with... I imagine a 15 minute check in every week or two once we get all the big stuff hashed out.<br />
[11:28] <totallymaxed> Zaerc: but what timezone is jondecker in? Anyone know?<br />
[11:28] <TSCHAKeee> wanna say US/Eastern<br />
[11:28] <totallymaxed> maybe we can vary the time so that people get a more agreeable slot<br />
[11:28] <Zaerc> totallymaxed: I reckon somewhere between GMT-7 and GMT-9<br />
[11:28] <jimbodude> alright - so next week. can someone schedule a time for us? someone who knows our devs a bit better than me preferably?<br />
[11:28] <Zaerc> or around<br />
[11:29] <tkmedia_2> btw good job jimbodude<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[11:29] <totallymaxed> seconded<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> second that<br />
[11:29] <jimbodude> I do what I can.<br />
[11:29] <Zaerc> I think the time was good<br />
[11:29] <hari> yup<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: thanks for the page.<br />
[11:29] <Zaerc> maybe an hour or so later<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> yeah, that way I can waaaaaaaaaaaake up<br />
[11:30] <Zaerc> so TSCHAKeee can come on time;^)<br />
[11:30] <Zaerc> heh beat me to it<br />
[11:30] <TSCHAKeee> hehehe<br />
[11:30] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[11:31] <jimbodude> alright. I think we're done? anything else?<br />
[11:31] <jimbodude> can one of you grab the transcript and plop it here for me - http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=20090415Transcript&action=edit -<br />
[11:31] <Zaerc> not that I can think of atm<br />
[11:31] <jimbodude> it comes out all silly if I use mibbit...<br />
[11:31] <Zaerc> I don't have logging on...<br />
[11:32] <totallymaxed> Nope...good job jimbodude<br />
[11:32] <jimbodude> haha there's one way to avoid writing docs... :P<br />
[11:32] <Zaerc> heh, I never log irc, except for small pieces I copy/paste on occasion<br />
[11:33] <jimbodude> someone got that? yes? volunteer?<br />
[11:33] <jimbodude> should have thought of that earlier... I overran the buffer here... whoops.<br />
[11:33] <tkmedia_2> done<br />
[11:33] <jimbodude> thanks.<br />
[11:33] <tkmedia_2> just a full paste<br />
[11:34] <jimbodude> alright guys, thanks for putting up with my nagging all week - you can expect more next week ;)<br />
[11:34] <Zaerc> thank you jimbodude for organizing this<br />
[11:34] <Zaerc> it has been long overdue imo<br />
[11:34] <jimbodude> Zaerc: no problem.<br />
[11:35] <jimbodude> I'm pretty excited about this project, anything I can do to help is a plus for everyone.</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=20090415Transcript&diff=1851120090415Transcript2009-04-15T15:36:46Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
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[10:08] <jimbodude> alright, I think we're back to where we were with attendance.<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> so, from time to time it may be nice to have a straw-poll vote. there will be a question followed by options in (). pick an option, say that. if you'd like to talk about your choice, also say "with rights" and we'll let you talk some more before moving on.<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> this keeps the vote quick.<br />
[10:10] <tkmedia_2> hang on<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> with that, on to status.<br />
[10:10] <jimbodude> go ahead.<br />
[10:10] <tkmedia_2> are we exlcuding people who planned to log this<br />
[10:11] <tkmedia_2> or should we post a log for them<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> I'm not sure what you mean... I was planning on posting a transcript when we're done anyway.<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> yes.<br />
[10:11] <tkmedia_2> ok<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> all set then?<br />
[10:11] <jimbodude> perfect.<br />
[10:11] <Zaerc> yes<br />
[10:12] <jimbodude> First component is DCERouter - there are no major bugs listed. Any status report needed here?<br />
[10:12] <jimbodude> ok. Orbiter. 3 major bugs.<br />
[10:13] <jimbodude> http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/ticket/153 RA button on orbiters/on-screen orbiters crashes the orbiter - anyone have eyes on this one and want to talk about where it is?<br />
[10:13] <jimbodude> (status wise)<br />
[10:14] <jimbodude> jondecker reported it... seems pretty well explained.<br />
[10:14] <Zaerc> seems more like an obsolete feature to me<br />
[10:14] <jimbodude> ok, would you mind commenting on the ticket with that note?<br />
[10:14] <Zaerc> not really tbh<br />
[10:15] <jimbodude> ok then.<br />
[10:15] <jimbodude> http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/ticket/160 JavaMO.jar missing for build<br />
[10:16] <jimbodude> looks like its fixed, just not marked. true?<br />
[10:16] <Zaerc> no idea<br />
[10:16] <hari> re #153, we don't even have RA active at the moment<br />
[10:16] <jimbodude> I mean in the comments - it says "everything compiles now"<br />
[10:17] <hari> so until we re-enable RA from the web interface i'd say we remove the button from the UI<br />
[10:17] <jimbodude> ok, thanks hari.<br />
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[10:17] <TSCHAKeee> erf<br />
[10:17] <jimbodude> morning TSCHAKeee. :)<br />
[10:17] <hari> jimbodude: autossh might be another option<br />
[10:17] <hari> to replace the old scripts<br />
[10:17] <dlewis> TSCHAKeee: got my text? lol<br />
[10:17] <hari> technically RA is quite simple, it just logs onto the central server with ssh/pubkey and forward some ports back to the local installation<br />
[10:18] <hari> works through NAT, we just need a mechanism to assign tcp ports on the server<br />
[10:18] <hari> if sb wants to take on that for 0810, fine, server and such is there. If not, let's deactivate the buttons in the web admin and orbiter UI<br />
[10:18] <jimbodude> ok, sounds like we have some discussion needed about RA - remind me to bring it up when we get to design discussions. for now - lets plow through the bugs really fast.<br />
[10:19] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: yup thanks<br />
[10:19] <hari> re #160, the build works on linux with some dependencies<br />
[10:19] <hari> it will be integrated into the external add-on build system soonish<br />
[10:19] <jimbodude> ok. are you working on that hari?<br />
[10:19] <hari> till then, there is a place where sambuca drops the jar<br />
[10:20] <hari> jimbodude: yes, also the symbian v2 and v3 build<br />
[10:20] <hari> will automate those three builds<br />
[10:20] <jimbodude> alright - could you note that status on the ticket?<br />
[10:21] <Zaerc> doesn't seem like a "blocker" to me<br />
[10:21] <hari> there is no ticket for the auto build system yet<br />
[10:21] <hari> worst case i'll do a manual run for the v2 and v3 orbiters for the beta/release<br />
[10:21] <jimbodude> Zarec: yes, it could probably be downgraded to somewhere around major.<br />
[10:21] <hari> and the actual jar for the javamo resides on download<br />
[10:22] <hari> jimbodude: we shall ask sambucca if he wants to document place of the jar in the ticket<br />
[10:22] <jimbodude> ok. so 160 is being addressed well. perfect. any other comments on 160?<br />
[10:22] <TSCHAKeee> nope.<br />
[10:22] <hari> i think the worst bugs are the ones we have no tickets for yet ;-p<br />
[10:22] <jimbodude> hari: sure... I have no idea what's going on there... I just wrote the agenda... :P<br />
[10:23] <jimbodude> hari: getting to that... ;)<br />
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[10:23] <hari> jimbodude: my most important thing for this conference<br />
[10:23] <hari> we need to find and nail down outstanding bugs<br />
[10:23] <hari> and isolate non-finished features<br />
[10:23] <hari> but it is too much for a single person to test all things at a time<br />
[10:23] <hari> ppl would get crazy<br />
[10:24] <hari> and not everybody has all stuff in his installation<br />
[10:24] <jimbodude> so the drift I'm getting is that visiting individual bugs is not doing it for you guys - sound correct? shall we just skip into the meat? (yes | no)<br />
[10:24] <hari> there was a status page, i think it is in our wiki, derived from pluto, with 1-5 for implementation status<br />
[10:24] <hari> jimbodude: i'm fine reviewing individual bugs first<br />
[10:24] <hari> but i really want that topic adressed today, too<br />
[10:25] <Zaerc> jimbodude: yes<br />
[10:25] <dlewis> i'm with Zaerc<br />
[10:25] <jimbodude> alright - well lets just go to the interesting stuff then. I'm bored with bugs too...<br />
[10:25] <Zaerc> ok<br />
[10:26] <hari> so, that overview gave nice sections<br />
[10:26] <hari> for ha, telephony, media, ...<br />
[10:26] <hari> we need to enrich it, with specific test cases<br />
[10:26] <hari> and then assign at least 2 ppl for each test case/group<br />
[10:26] <hari> does that sound reasonable?<br />
[10:26] <jimbodude> yes, I like it a lot.<br />
[10:26] <hari> so we would be able to do a "full" test run in say 2-3 days<br />
[10:26] <hari> and have every subsystem checke<br />
[10:27] <hari> we do 2 or 3 iterations of that over the next weeks<br />
[10:27] <hari> that should (*hope*) give us a clear picture where we are and what needs to be fixed first<br />
[10:27] <Zaerc> fiire claimed they had developed all these wonderful test cases... but I guess they took them to their grave<br />
[10:28] <hari> Zaerc: what i've seen from aaron for now, i really appreciate his genius, but testing seems to be the same like sales for him<br />
[10:28] <hari> :-p<br />
[10:28] <hari> and when we look at the regression numbers in the 0710 betas...<br />
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[10:28] <hari> btw, the mantis is available as www/mantis-deact<br />
[10:29] <hari> i pulled it from public as it is exploitable<br />
[10:29] <totallymaxed> I think the 'test cases' were more Pluto driven than Fiire to be franks<br />
[10:29] <jimbodude> hari: have you started putting any of this together yet? in written form?<br />
[10:29] <tkmedia_2> my production system mostly 0810 now and have lots to test<br />
[10:29] <hari> jimbodude: yup, in this channel :-)<br />
[10:29] <jimbodude> good start. :)<br />
[10:29] <Zaerc> fiire != aaron<br />
[10:30] <Zaerc> but as we've never even seen them there is little point in beating adead horse<br />
[10:30] <totallymaxed> sure...but Fiire was just a marketing front ;-)<br />
[10:31] <hari> brb<br />
[10:31] <jimbodude> alright, so we need to write up some tests.<br />
[10:31] <Zaerc> I'll just have to take your word for that<br />
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[10:32] <tkmedia_2> 1. squeezeboom tested sucessfully on 0810 this AM<br />
[10:32] <jimbodude> everyone agree with the basics of hari's plan?<br />
[10:32] <tkmedia_2> pnp<br />
[10:32] <Zaerc> fine with me<br />
[10:33] <totallymaxed> sure<br />
[10:33] <dlewis> I agree<br />
[10:33] <tkmedia_2> sure<br />
[10:33] <jimbodude> hari: want to take the lead on that? I'm available to help as you see fit.<br />
[10:34] <jimbodude> he'll answer when he gets back...<br />
[10:34] <jimbodude> next agenda topic is release scheduling.<br />
[10:34] <TSCHAKeee> whoa, we have a schedule?<br />
[10:35] <jimbodude> basically, I see a release schedule as a way to focus developer efforts - even if it changes all the time.<br />
[10:35] <TSCHAKeee> *walks-around-all-dazed*<br />
[10:35] <jimbodude> TSCHAKeee: nope. that's why I put it on there.<br />
[10:35] <TSCHAKeee> ;)<br />
[10:35] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Meeting1Agenda<br />
[10:35] <TSCHAKeee> I know, i was being sarcastic. ;)<br />
[10:35] <Zaerc> oh you meant release-schedule<br />
[10:36] <jimbodude> generally speaking, if software projects want to be successful, they have a schedule - even if it's fairly vague.<br />
[10:36] <hari> jimbodude: want, yes, can, no<br />
[10:36] <jimbodude> what do you guys think about pulling together some milestones and dates for 0810 - even if we don't tell anyone about them?<br />
[10:36] <Zaerc> heh, I remember setting a rough date for the beta a few months ago<br />
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[10:37] <jimbodude> ok hari - I'll take point on it for now then. we can move it around later.<br />
[10:37] <Zaerc> since then I feel we've only been moving away from the beta<br />
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[10:38] <colinjones> :) ignore me, just catching up on the dev thread... too tired and drunk to contribute!<br />
[10:38] <jimbodude> I'm not sure "moving away" is quite right - a lot has come up, and a lot of new features are being added.<br />
[10:38] <Zaerc> well, that's what I call moving away<br />
[10:38] <totallymaxed> my feeling is that we need some kind of schedule...<br />
[10:38] <jimbodude> it seems, to me, that a lot of the issues we're having we've had for quite a while and they just aren't getting addressed.<br />
[10:39] <TSCHAKeee> the big one right now is getting media directors to boot<br />
[10:39] <jimbodude> If there were some milestone targets - for instance "release alpha 3, fixing the following issues: blah blah blah, on such and whatever date"<br />
[10:40] <jimbodude> we might be able to focus development power towards the ultimate goal.<br />
[10:40] <totallymaxed> without a schedule we're just drifting...jimbodude seems like a good idea<br />
[10:41] <jimbodude> any further thoughts?<br />
[10:41] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: I was working on that<br />
[10:41] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[10:42] <tkmedia_2> why isn't /Diskless_BuildDefaultImage.sh run in the post_install ?<br />
[10:42] <jimbodude> do you guys want to pull something together here, delegate for later work, or not have a schedule?<br />
[10:42] <Zaerc> but apparently we need a launch-manager instead of figuring the bootscripts out properly, so I kind of dropped it<br />
[10:43] <Zaerc> (or whatever it's supposed to be called these days)<br />
[10:43] <hari> Zaerc: i think both are way important<br />
[10:43] <TSCHAKeee> jimbodude: I know what I need to do from my perspective. my big one is getting mame to work, since the other big ones that were initially on my plate are dealt with.<br />
[10:44] <hari> Zaerc: otherwise we'd end up using dcewhisperer in the launchcore script ;-)<br />
[10:44] <TSCHAKeee> but anything else anybody decides to put on my plate is cool, just let me know<br />
[10:44] <totallymaxed> hari: great idea :-)<br />
[10:44] <hari> but the actual qt/dce interwoven mess had to be cleaned up<br />
[10:44] <jimbodude> well, I don't think the problem is people not doing their work - I think the problem is that tasks are getting overlooked because they don't have deadlines.<br />
[10:44] <hari> totallymaxed: i knew you'd like it<br />
[10:44] <Zaerc> dcewhisperer?<br />
[10:44] <hari> totallymaxed: really, why not, everything is better than the crap we had (and nobody understood)<br />
[10:44] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[10:44] <jimbodude> can you guys stay on topic for me please? we can deal with design stuff later. we're talking about scheduling now.<br />
[10:45] <TSCHAKeee> and it was. We now have a stable launching system again<br />
[10:45] <Zaerc> ok<br />
[10:45] <jimbodude> do you guys want to pull something together here, delegate for later work, or not have a schedule?<br />
[10:45] <TSCHAKeee> and one that can have the necessary UI attached to it.<br />
[10:45] <TSCHAKeee> I do.<br />
[10:46] <hari> Zaerc: the bits that could not be implemented in bash to do dce communications<br />
[10:46] <hari> so a bit of a GSD for bash :-p<br />
[10:46] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[10:46] <Zaerc> I don't see a need for it, but let's stay on topic<br />
[10:47] <Zaerc> and maybe discuss that later<br />
[10:47] <TSCHAKeee> i'm all for it, just give me stuff to do. I'll balance it with the remote work.<br />
[10:47] <hari> yeah, schedule is important<br />
[10:47] <hari> i always do stuff when approaching the deadline :-p<br />
[10:47] <jimbodude> I don't think we're at the point of assigning work... but if we all agree that we want to get certain things done by a certain date, we can make sure nothing gets overlooked at least.<br />
[10:48] <totallymaxed> agreed<br />
[10:48] <jimbodude> is that the general consensus? no major objections?<br />
[10:48] <Zaerc> none here<br />
[10:48] <jimbodude> shall we start hashing something out now, or assign it as a task to someone?<br />
[10:48] <TSCHAKeee> i'm cool<br />
[10:49] <jimbodude> alright... so let's look into it a bit now.<br />
[10:50] <jimbodude> let's talk about big things that don't work - not about why they don't work, just that they don't.<br />
[10:50] <tkmedia_2> MD booting<br />
[10:50] <jimbodude> what are the biggest broken things - with special focus on things that worked on 0710?<br />
[10:51] <tkmedia_2> KDE desktop on MD<br />
[10:51] <tkmedia_2> or lack there of<br />
[10:51] <totallymaxed> How to get back to Orbiter from KDE<br />
[10:51] <totallymaxed> ...if the LM is cli<br />
[10:51] <Zaerc> click workspace 3 for now<br />
[10:52] <TSCHAKeee> now that we have LM, I just make a plasmoid<br />
[10:52] <TSCHAKeee> which will reorder the workspace correctly<br />
[10:52] <jimbodude> ok, lets keep this out of fixes and design for a bit though.<br />
[10:52] <jimbodude> just broken things.<br />
[10:52] <hari> do we want/need kde?<br />
[10:52] <Zaerc> is the KDE bar still visible through UI2?<br />
[10:52] <jimbodude> Zaerc: I never see it.<br />
[10:52] <hari> i mean do ppl use the desktop feature on the living room tv?<br />
[10:52] <totallymaxed> desktop oversizing at HD resolutions...<br />
[10:52] <tkmedia_2> i use my MD as daily computer using kde<br />
[10:52] <TSCHAKeee> (the LM keeps track of the on screen orbiter, and can be used to reorder to the right places<br />
[10:53] <TSCHAKeee> hari: I do.<br />
[10:53] <totallymaxed> yes we do use the desktop on living room TV's<br />
[10:53] <Zaerc> hari: yes amongst other things to use ktorrent<br />
[10:53] <TSCHAKeee> all I need to do is talk to jondecker76 on the client socket protocol<br />
[10:53] <TSCHAKeee> and I can make a plasmoid to do this correctly<br />
[10:53] <jimbodude> ok, back to broken things - KDE stuff gets added to the list<br />
[10:54] <TSCHAKeee> once i know what to do, it's only an hour or so of work.<br />
[10:54] <totallymaxed> ...at HD resolutions like 720p or 1080i... the desktop is incorrectly sized on TV's<br />
[10:54] <tkmedia_2> login problem on MD<br />
[10:54] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: yeah, it's somewhat ironic, we override everything, and in the process lose any automatic DPI info we need to display desktop fonts at the right size.<br />
[10:55] <totallymaxed> correct TSCHAKeee<br />
[10:55] <tkmedia_2> Auto detect of USBUIRT<br />
[10:55] <jimbodude> how about some of the other components - like telecom... game... web admin...<br />
[10:55] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: I like your list... keep it rolling.<br />
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[10:56] <tkmedia_2> ir codes in sqlcvs<br />
[10:56] <TSCHAKeee> i think jondecker has been steadily hacking away at that one<br />
[10:56] <tkmedia_2> yes<br />
[10:57] <tkmedia_2> just want it on the the list<br />
[10:57] <tkmedia_2> so it dont get missed<br />
[10:57] <jimbodude> exactly.<br />
[10:57] <jimbodude> it has a ticket too - which is nice. #119.<br />
[10:57] <jimbodude> (we'll talk about that later)<br />
[10:58] <jimbodude> alright, so I think that's a pretty complete list for now.<br />
[10:58] <dlewis> we definitely need to work on upgrading telecom<br />
[10:58] <tkmedia_2> serial detection<br />
[10:58] <dlewis> making more devices PnP<br />
[10:58] <jimbodude> ok, I guess we can make it more complete... :)<br />
[10:58] <TSCHAKeee> now that we have a working media director phone combo<br />
[10:58] <tkmedia_2> cisco 7070 wrong room problem<br />
[10:59] <TSCHAKeee> telecom plugin bugs are really coming out of the woodwork<br />
[10:59] <tkmedia_2> 7970<br />
[10:59] <jimbodude> you guys just keep rolling - Now. someone needs to go through this list, prioritize it, assign things to milestones, and we need to agree on dates to hit the milestones.<br />
[11:00] <dlewis> do we have a comprehensive list of telecom bugs?<br />
[11:00] <tkmedia_2> Some issue with the sony changer.... certainly not release stoppers<br />
[11:00] <jimbodude> I don't think this is the best place to do that - maybe someone could come up with a draft, and 2-3 of the lead devs could review it. does that sound reasonable? any takers?<br />
[11:01] <jimbodude> dlewis: probably not - we're going to get to bug tracking next.<br />
[11:01] <TSCHAKeee> the big show stoppers right now are media director support, and certain devices not popping up like the UIRT and ZWave devices.<br />
[11:01] <tkmedia_2> I will test and put in trac<br />
[11:01] <TSCHAKeee> (both serial devices)<br />
[11:02] <jimbodude> I'm going to try to cut this in about a half hour to 40 minutes guys - just to keep it reasonable. after that, we can break out and dig in deeper on specific issues.<br />
[11:02] <tkmedia_2> yes not sure if the pnp scripts get passed to my tv if using a usb/serial adapter<br />
[11:02] * Zaerc agrees with TSCHAKeee, the rest can be fixed during the beta<br />
[11:02] <jimbodude> so back to my previous two points on scheduling - anyone want to take the lead on that?<br />
[11:02] <TSCHAKeee> please dear god anybody but me<br />
[11:03] <jimbodude> I'm not in any position to assign a task like that... so someone is going to have to volunteer or it's going to be left.<br />
[11:04] <Zaerc> ok I guess that means nobody feels like doing that, let's move on<br />
[11:04] <jimbodude> alrighty then.<br />
[11:05] <jimbodude> there's a note on the agenda from jondecker76 about update scheduling - we'll defer that until we have a release schedule...<br />
[11:05] <jimbodude> I'm also going to jump over his points about installation number generation for now - he's documented his thoughts pretty well in the agenda.<br />
[11:05] <jimbodude> to get to bug tracking.<br />
[11:05] <TSCHAKeee> ok<br />
[11:05] <Zaerc> I'm a bit surprised that he's not here<br />
[11:06] <TSCHAKeee> probably at work<br />
[11:06] <jimbodude> so, I'm noticing a LOT of issues that people just "know about" that aren't documented in Trac.<br />
[11:06] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: since when is that an excuse? ;^)<br />
[11:07] * TSCHAKeee whistles <br />
[11:07] <jimbodude> I think that's a pretty bad practice with such a distributed team - we're losing track of what needs to be done.<br />
[11:07] <TSCHAKeee> I wish there was a brain dump plugin for trac<br />
[11:07] <jimbodude> it would be nice yes...<br />
[11:07] <TSCHAKeee> yeah...<br />
[11:07] <TSCHAKeee> you're right.<br />
[11:07] <Zaerc> jimbodude: tbh I gave up on using trac a long time ago<br />
[11:07] <jimbodude> and of course - I'm no angel... I just reported a bug yesterday that I've known about since I get 0810.<br />
[11:08] <jimbodude> yes, I've noticed that Zaerc.<br />
[11:08] <jimbodude> I think you're not the only one.<br />
[11:08] <tkmedia_2> should i flood it with what i have ..... i did not want to burden with my trivial bugs<br />
[11:08] <TSCHAKeee> yes please<br />
[11:08] <jimbodude> yes. that's what the priority scale is for.<br />
[11:08] <hari> we'd be lost without tracking<br />
[11:09] <totallymaxed> Well I'll commit to adding anything we have here to Trac...<br />
[11:09] <tkmedia_2> ok you asked for it<br />
[11:09] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[11:09] <TSCHAKeee> totallymaxed: yup, we're interested to see what you guys run into for 0810<br />
[11:09] <TSCHAKeee> and half scared too<br />
[11:09] <jimbodude> Trac can help us determine where to focus developer efforts, give newbies a place to start working on stuff, and tell us where the project stands.<br />
[11:09] <jimbodude> it is essential that we use it - in my opinion.<br />
[11:10] <tkmedia_2> ok what about working things<br />
[11:10] <tkmedia_2> like the squeezboom<br />
[11:10] <totallymaxed> well we have a full time Core dedicated to testing 0810 now... so the flow from us should be greater going forwards<br />
[11:10] <tkmedia_2> so we dont duplicate effort<br />
[11:10] <jimbodude> I suggest we draft and agree on a bug reporting policy. We also need someone to keep an eye out and make sure we're not throwing bugs under the rug and ignoring them.<br />
[11:10] <TSCHAKeee> to tell you the truth, it's fucking amazing that we've gotten this far and not checked into the looney bin.<br />
[11:11] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: I'm not sure what you mean... there are no bug reports for things that work.<br />
[11:11] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: :-)<br />
[11:11] <tkmedia_2> yes but how do know what works unless we test<br />
[11:11] <jimbodude> right, TSCHAKeee, and as more people get added to the project, we're going to go nuttier.<br />
[11:11] <tkmedia_2> and this is a new item<br />
[11:11] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: that's where hari's testing plan comes in.<br />
[11:12] <tkmedia_2> k<br />
[11:12] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: patches should probably go through Trac also - so we have a ticket to reference the feature implementation.<br />
[11:12] <tkmedia_2> many things have already been tested<br />
[11:12] <jimbodude> but that's part of the policy that we haven't talked about yet.<br />
[11:12] <jimbodude> tkmedia_2: right. and many things have not, or have not been tested well.<br />
[11:13] <jimbodude> which is where the test plan comes in.<br />
[11:13] <tkmedia_2> k<br />
[11:13] <jimbodude> so back to defect tracking.<br />
[11:14] <jimbodude> does that sound reasonable to everyone? report all bugs, prioritize correctly, keep the bug status up to date. do we want a written policy? something based on what I wrote earlier, something different?<br />
[11:14] <TSCHAKeee> that's fine to me<br />
[11:16] <Zaerc> fine with me too<br />
[11:16] <jimbodude> Ok, I'll volunteer to pull together a policy and wiki that. It will be based on what I've written here: http://jimbodude.net/wiki/Bug_Reporting -<br />
[11:16] <jimbodude> Any other comments on defect tracking?<br />
[11:17] <Zaerc> I thought that already was the policy<br />
[11:17] <Zaerc> yeah, anonymous users should only have read-only access<br />
[11:17] <TSCHAKeee> (1) is it broken?<br />
[11:17] <jimbodude> well, it's not really worded as a policy, and we never formally "agreed" on it. I'll reword it at bit and drop it on wiki.linuxmce.org<br />
[11:18] <TSCHAKeee> (2) Put in Trac, so we know, and wait<br />
[11:18] <TSCHAKeee> (3) or for big brownie points, hack on it and submit patch<br />
[11:18] <jimbodude> Zaerc: yes I agree.<br />
[11:19] <jimbodude> TSCHAKeee: yep, pretty much that.<br />
[11:19] <Zaerc> TSCHAKeee: (1b) is it really broken?<br />
[11:19] <jimbodude> alright. I'll pull that together. Zaerc, I can't help you with read only - you know better than I do who to talk to for that...<br />
[11:20] <Zaerc> jimbodude: tried that...<br />
[11:20] <jimbodude> any other comments here? if not, we're going to move on to the last topic - next meeting, if any - and be done here.<br />
[11:20] <Zaerc> but it's hard to talk to people who don't listen<br />
[11:21] <totallymaxed> Bi-weekly?<br />
[11:21] <jimbodude> ok. so the big question is - more meetings? was this useful?<br />
[11:21] <totallymaxed> Yes<br />
[11:21] <jimbodude> I think it was.<br />
[11:21] <Zaerc> yes<br />
[11:21] <TSCHAKeee> I am reminded of a certain Dave Barry quote.<br />
[11:22] <jimbodude> and I'll volunteer to continue pulling together agendas and such to keep them running.<br />
[11:22] <jimbodude> Ok, so how far do we want to space these? week, 2 week, month, other?<br />
[11:22] <TSCHAKeee> “If you had to identify, in one word, the reason why the human race has not achieved, and never will achieve, its full potential, that word would be "meetings” -Dave Barry<br />
[11:22] <dlewis> yes, very useful<br />
[11:23] <totallymaxed> 2 week looks good<br />
[11:23] <TSCHAKeee> yeah, 2 week is fine.<br />
[11:23] <tkmedia_2> or weekly to start<br />
[11:23] <totallymaxed> TSCHAKeee: nice quote ;-)<br />
[11:24] <jimbodude> maybe next week to pull together some of the big things we have discussed here - like testing plan, scheduling, defect policy, then bi-weekly after that?<br />
[11:24] <Zaerc> I'd say weekly, keep 'em short and to thepoint<br />
[11:25] <jimbodude> alright. next week then? and we'll decide on permanent schedule then?<br />
[11:25] <totallymaxed> ok<br />
[11:25] <Zaerc> fine with me<br />
[11:25] <TSCHAKeee> all I'd really want is just a small set of stuff to work on for the next build.<br />
[11:25] <tkmedia_2> sounds good<br />
[11:25] <jimbodude> I'll do the leg work before the meeting. I need a bit of help with scheduling - I think we missed some people this week because of how I did things.<br />
[11:26] <Zaerc> maybe sundays is better for some?<br />
[11:26] <tkmedia_2> be nice to have jondecker here<br />
[11:26] <totallymaxed> or evenings his time<br />
[11:26] <totallymaxed> what timezone is he in?<br />
[11:26] <TSCHAKeee> that's the other thing too, the one thing we DO NOT need on this project is burnout<br />
[11:27] <totallymaxed> Agreed<br />
[11:27] <Zaerc> totallymaxed: if you like having these meetings at 3am...<br />
[11:27] <TSCHAKeee> this project has the highest potential burnout and turnover rate in the history of time :P<br />
[11:27] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[11:27] <jimbodude> well, I think this meeting is much more intense than what we'll have going forward to begin with... I imagine a 15 minute check in every week or two once we get all the big stuff hashed out.<br />
[11:28] <totallymaxed> Zaerc: but what timezone is jondecker in? Anyone know?<br />
[11:28] <TSCHAKeee> wanna say US/Eastern<br />
[11:28] <totallymaxed> maybe we can vary the time so that people get a more agreeable slot<br />
[11:28] <Zaerc> totallymaxed: I reckon somewhere between GMT-7 and GMT-9<br />
[11:28] <jimbodude> alright - so next week. can someone schedule a time for us? someone who knows our devs a bit better than me preferably?<br />
[11:28] <Zaerc> or around<br />
[11:29] <tkmedia_2> btw good job jimbodude<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> yes<br />
[11:29] <totallymaxed> seconded<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> second that<br />
[11:29] <jimbodude> I do what I can.<br />
[11:29] <Zaerc> I think the time was good<br />
[11:29] <hari> yup<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> dlewis: thanks for the page.<br />
[11:29] <Zaerc> maybe an hour or so later<br />
[11:29] <TSCHAKeee> yeah, that way I can waaaaaaaaaaaake up<br />
[11:30] <Zaerc> so TSCHAKeee can come on time;^)<br />
[11:30] <Zaerc> heh beat me to it<br />
[11:30] <TSCHAKeee> hehehe<br />
[11:30] <totallymaxed> :-)<br />
[11:31] <jimbodude> alright. I think we're done? anything else?<br />
[11:31] <jimbodude> can one of you grab the transcript and plop it here for me - http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=20090415Transcript&action=edit -<br />
[11:31] <Zaerc> not that I can think of atm<br />
[11:31] <jimbodude> it comes out all silly if I use mibbit...<br />
[11:31] <Zaerc> I don't have logging on...<br />
[11:32] <totallymaxed> Nope...good job jimbodude<br />
[11:32] <jimbodude> haha there's one way to avoid writing docs... :P<br />
[11:32] <Zaerc> heh, I never log irc, except for small pieces I copy/paste on occasion<br />
[11:33] <jimbodude> someone got that? yes? volunteer?<br />
[11:33] <jimbodude> should have thought of that earlier... I overran the buffer here... whoops.<br />
[11:33] <tkmedia_2> done<br />
[11:33] <jimbodude> thanks.<br />
[11:33] <tkmedia_2> just a full paste<br />
[11:34] <jimbodude> alright guys, thanks for putting up with my nagging all week - you can expect more next week ;)<br />
[11:34] <Zaerc> thank you jimbodude for organizing this<br />
[11:34] <Zaerc> it has been long overdue imo<br />
[11:34] <jimbodude> Zaerc: no problem.<br />
[11:35] <jimbodude> I'm pretty excited about this project, anything I can do to help is a plus for everyone.</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Building_LinuxMCE_0810&diff=17730Building LinuxMCE 08102009-02-23T17:34:24Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[category: tutorials]]<br />
[[category: programmer's Guide]]<br />
===Create Build Environment===<br />
debootstrap --arch i386 intrepid /media/kubuntu-8.10/<br />
<br />
<br />
===Mount required directories===<br />
mount --bind /dev /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/proc -t proc<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev/pts -t devpts<br />
<br />
===Change Root to build environment===<br />
chroot /media/kubuntu-8.10<br />
<br />
===Verify Apt Sources===<br />
contains<br />
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse <br />
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe<br />
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe multiverse<br />
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe<br />
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb http://debian.slimdevices.com/ stable main<br />
<br />
===Install Aptitude===<br />
apt-get install aptitude<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
===Prep MySQl===<br />
apt-get install mysql-server<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
For a more in detail description of all the steps involved see [[Building LinuxMCE 0804]]<br />
<br />
Currently the focus is on getting the following to work completely.<br />
<br />
===Obtaining, installing and configuring the build scripts===<br />
<br />
Obtaining.<br />
sudo su -<br />
apt-get install subversion<br />
svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
<br />
Installing.<br />
cd Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
./install.sh<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
Configuring.<br />
cat >/etc/lmce-build/builder.custom.conf <<EOF<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to avoid DVD build step[s]<br />
do_not_build_sl_dvd="yes"<br />
do_not_build_dl_dvd="yes"<br />
<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to create fake win32 binaries<br />
win32_create_fake="yes"<br />
<br />
# Point to the development sqlCVS server for 0810<br />
sqlcvs_host="schema.linuxmce.org"<br />
EOF<br />
<br />
===Preparing for build===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
The preparation steps one at a time:<br />
prepare-scripts/install-build-pkgs.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd1-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/create-diskless-debootstrap.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/preseed-build-pkgs.sh<br />
<br />
Or, you could do them all in one go with:<br />
./prepare.sh<br />
<br />
[[User:Posde|posde]] Doing the prepare.sh script produced a hash error. apt-get update and restarting the prepare.sh solved this.<br />
<br />
===Building from source===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
All the build steps can be executed seperately:<br />
build-scripts/checkout-svn.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-win32bins.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-replacements.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-makerelease.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-databases.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh<br />
build-scripts/get-closed-source-debs.sh<br />
build-scripts/create-repo.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd1-build.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd2-build.sh<br />
<br />
Or the following script will run them all:<br />
./build.sh</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Building_LinuxMCE_0810&diff=17728Building LinuxMCE 08102009-02-23T03:06:58Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[category: tutorials]]<br />
[[category: programmer's Guide]]<br />
===Create Build Environment===<br />
debootstrap --arch i386 intrepid /media/kubuntu-8.10/<br />
<br />
<br />
===Mount required directories===<br />
mount --bind /dev /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/proc -t proc<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev/pts -t devpts<br />
<br />
===Change Root to build environment===<br />
chroot /media/kubuntu-8.10<br />
<br />
===Verify Apt Sources===<br />
contains<br />
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse <br />
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe<br />
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe multiverse<br />
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe<br />
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted universe<br />
deb http://debian.slimdevices.com/ stable main<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
===Prep MySQl===<br />
apt-get install mysql-server<br />
<nowiki>sed 's/^[^#]*bind-address[[:space:]]*=.*$/#&\nskip-networking/' -i /etc/mysql/my.cnf</nowiki><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
For a more in detail description of all the steps involved see [[Building LinuxMCE 0804]]<br />
<br />
Currently the focus is on getting the following to work completely.<br />
<br />
===Obtaining, installing and configuring the build scripts===<br />
<br />
Obtaining.<br />
sudo su -<br />
apt-get install subversion<br />
svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
<br />
Installing.<br />
cd Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
./install.sh<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
Configuring.<br />
cat >/etc/lmce-build/builder.custom.conf <<EOF<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to avoid DVD build step[s]<br />
do_not_build_sl_dvd="yes"<br />
do_not_build_dl_dvd="yes"<br />
<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to create fake win32 binaries<br />
win32_create_fake="yes"<br />
<br />
# Point to the development sqlCVS server for 0810<br />
sqlcvs_host="schema.linuxmce.org"<br />
EOF<br />
<br />
===Preparing for build===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
The preparation steps one at a time:<br />
prepare-scripts/install-build-pkgs.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd1-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/create-diskless-debootstrap.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/preseed-build-pkgs.sh<br />
<br />
Or, you could do them all in one go with:<br />
./prepare.sh<br />
<br />
[[User:Posde|posde]] Doing the prepare.sh script produced a hash error. apt-get update and restarting the prepare.sh solved this.<br />
<br />
===Building from source===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
All the build steps can be executed seperately:<br />
build-scripts/checkout-svn.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-win32bins.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-replacements.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-makerelease.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-databases.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh<br />
build-scripts/get-closed-source-debs.sh<br />
build-scripts/create-repo.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd1-build.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd2-build.sh<br />
<br />
Or the following script will run them all:<br />
./build.sh</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Building_LinuxMCE_0810&diff=17726Building LinuxMCE 08102009-02-23T00:13:31Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[category: tutorials]]<br />
[[category: programmer's Guide]]<br />
===Create Build Environment===<br />
debootstrap --arch i386 intrepid /media/kubuntu-8.10/<br />
<br />
<br />
===Mount required directories===<br />
mount --bind /dev /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/proc -t proc<br />
mount none /media/kubuntu-8.10/dev/pts -t devpts<br />
<br />
===Change Root to build environment===<br />
chroot /media/kubuntu-8.10<br />
<br />
For a more in detail description of all the steps involved see [[Building LinuxMCE 0804]]<br />
<br />
Currently the focus is on getting the following to work completely.<br />
<br />
===Obtaining, installing and configuring the build scripts===<br />
<br />
Obtaining.<br />
sudo su -<br />
apt-get install subversion<br />
svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
<br />
Installing.<br />
cd Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
./install.sh<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
Configuring.<br />
cat >/etc/lmce-build/builder.custom.conf <<EOF<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to avoid DVD build step[s]<br />
do_not_build_sl_dvd="yes"<br />
do_not_build_dl_dvd="yes"<br />
<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to create fake win32 binaries<br />
win32_create_fake="yes"<br />
<br />
# Point to the development sqlCVS server for 0810<br />
sqlcvs_host="schema.linuxmce.org"<br />
EOF<br />
<br />
===Preparing for build===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
The preparation steps one at a time:<br />
prepare-scripts/install-build-pkgs.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd1-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/create-diskless-debootstrap.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/preseed-build-pkgs.sh<br />
<br />
Or, you could do them all in one go with:<br />
./prepare.sh<br />
<br />
[[User:Posde|posde]] Doing the prepare.sh script produced a hash error. apt-get update and restarting the prepare.sh solved this.<br />
<br />
===Building from source===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
All the build steps can be executed seperately:<br />
build-scripts/checkout-svn.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-win32bins.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-replacements.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-makerelease.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-databases.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh<br />
build-scripts/get-closed-source-debs.sh<br />
build-scripts/create-repo.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd1-build.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd2-build.sh<br />
<br />
Or the following script will run them all:<br />
./build.sh</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=LinuxMCE-0810_alpha2&diff=17678LinuxMCE-0810 alpha22009-02-15T02:41:46Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Installation */</p>
<hr />
<div>==Installation==<br />
# Install Kubuntu Intrepid, update it and enable the restricted (video) drivers if needed. ([http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download download Kubuntu 8.10 release])<br />
# Run aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade to get the latest Kubuntu updates.<br />
# Grab the latest installer script from [http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu here], unpack them and change into the freshly created ''new-installer'' directory.<br />
# Run the following scripts (as root, in order): pre-install-from-repo.sh, mce-install.sh, post-install.sh.<br />
# Reboot, wait for the activity to stop (see progress on console 8).<br />
<br />
In other words, after installing Kubuntu and upgrading it etcetera:<br />
sudo su - #This might ask for the password you specified earlier during the install of kubuntu.<br />
wget -c http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/new-installer-alpha-latest.tar.gz<br />
tar xvf new-installer-alpha-latest.tar.gz<br />
cd new-installer<br />
./pre-install-from-repo.sh<br />
./mce-install.sh<br />
./post-install.sh<br />
reboot<br />
== Install MythTV ==<br />
Remove reference to hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list<br />
from terminal<br />
<br />
sudo apt-get install pluto-mythtv-player<br />
<br />
Install updated version of pluto-mythtv-plugin</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=LinuxMCE-0810_alpha2&diff=17677LinuxMCE-0810 alpha22009-02-15T02:29:42Z<p>Tkmedia: New page: ==Installation== # Install Kubuntu Intrepid, update it and enable the restricted (video) drivers if needed. ([http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download download Kubuntu 8.10 release]) # R...</p>
<hr />
<div>==Installation==<br />
# Install Kubuntu Intrepid, update it and enable the restricted (video) drivers if needed. ([http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download download Kubuntu 8.10 release])<br />
# Run aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade to get the latest Kubuntu updates.<br />
# Grab the latest installer script from [http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu here], unpack them and change into the freshly created ''new-installer'' directory.<br />
# Run the following scripts (as root, in order): pre-install-from-repo.sh, mce-install.sh, post-install.sh.<br />
# Reboot, wait for the activity to stop (see progress on console 8).<br />
<br />
In other words, after installing Kubuntu and upgrading it etcetera:<br />
sudo su - #This might ask for the password you specified earlier during the install of kubuntu.<br />
wget -c http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/new-installer-alpha-latest.tar.gz<br />
tar xvf new-installer-alpha-latest.tar.gz<br />
cd new-installer<br />
./pre-install-from-repo.sh<br />
./mce-install.sh<br />
./post-install.sh<br />
reboot</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=LinuxMCE-0810_alpha1&diff=16445LinuxMCE-0810 alpha12008-12-02T15:25:31Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Setup Diskless MD */</p>
<hr />
<div>{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<br />
LinuxMCE-0810-alpha1 is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0810 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
==Installation==<br />
# Install Kubuntu Intrepid, update it and enable the restricted (video) drivers if needed. ([http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download download Kubuntu 8.10 release])<br />
# Grab the latest installer script from [http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu here], unpack them and change into the freshly created ''new-installer'' directory.<br />
# Run the following scripts (as root, in order): pre-install-from-repo.sh, mce-install.sh, post-install.sh.<br />
# Reboot, wait for the activity to stop (see progress on console 8).<br />
<br />
In other words, after installing Kubuntu and upgrading it etcetera:<br />
sudo su - #This might ask for the password you specified earlier during the install of kubuntu.<br />
wget -c http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/new-installer-alpha1.tar.bz2<br />
tar xvf new-installer-alpha1.tar.bz2<br />
cd new-installer<br />
./pre-install-from-repo.sh<br />
./mce-install.sh<br />
./post-install.sh<br />
reboot<br />
== Setup Diskless MD ==<br />
# On core from a terminal run sudo /usr/pluto/bin/Diskless_BuildDefaultImage.sh<br />
# Boot MD<br />
# Rundiskless setup fails, but the device gets created<br />
# Change md to i386 in webadmin -> rebuild image<br />
# On the core<br />
## Set a password for root on MD<br />
###chroot /us/pluto/diskless/<##><br />
### run passwd.... enter password for root<br />
#On MD Switch to a terminal session<br />
## Login to MD as root<br />
## apt-get install nvividia-glx-177<br />
#From core copy valid xorg.conf from etc/X11 to /usr/pluto/diskless/##/etc/X11<br />
# Reboot MD. Now, the AV Wizard should come up<br />
<br />
== Known Problems ==<br />
For known problems please look at [[LinuxMCE-0810_alpha0]]</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=LinuxMCE-0810_alpha0&diff=16254LinuxMCE-0810 alpha02008-11-19T06:15:23Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>LinuxMce-0810-Alpha is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0810 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
Thanks Zaerc<br />
<br />
==Versions available==<br />
<br />
The currently available version is alpha0, which is broken in numerous ways. <br />
<br />
===alpha0===<br />
Known problems<br />
<br />
Please add all the issues you can find below, and/or add your name to the list of people confirming (simply sign it with [[User:Tkmedia|Tkmedia]]).<br />
General issues<br />
<br />
Add software list<br />
<br />
* The "Add Software" list is empty, this probably needs to be filled somewhere, see also "workarounds" below. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
Junk in sources.list<br />
<br />
* There are entries for old repositories that keep being added to the sources.list, needs further investigation. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
External Media Identifier<br />
<br />
The External Media Identifier fails to start, this is because it wasn't build as the sources are not available, however it can be installed successfully using the 0710 "id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_i386.deb" package. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
Confirmed Working<br />
<br />
* DVD identification - Ripping<br />
<br />
* CD identification - Ripping<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=LinuxMCE-0810_alpha0&diff=16253LinuxMCE-0810 alpha02008-11-19T06:06:50Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>LinuxMce-0810-Alpha is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0810 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
Thanks Zaerc<br />
<br />
==Versions available==<br />
<br />
The currently available version is alpha0, which is broken in numerous ways. <br />
<br />
===alpha0===<br />
Known problems<br />
<br />
Please add all the issues you can find below, and/or add your name to the list of people confirming (simply sign it with [[User:Tkmedia|Tkmedia]]).<br />
General issues<br />
<br />
Add software list<br />
<br />
* The "Add Software" list is empty, this probably needs to be filled somewhere, see also "workarounds" below. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
Junk in sources.list<br />
<br />
* There are entries for old repositories that keep being added to the sources.list, needs further investigation. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
External Media Identifier<br />
<br />
The External Media Identifier fails to start, this is because it wasn't build as the sources are not available, however it can be installed successfully using the 0710 "id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_i386.deb" package. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
Confirmed Working<br />
<br />
* DVD identification - Ripping<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=LinuxMCE-0810_alpha0&diff=16252LinuxMCE-0810 alpha02008-11-19T06:06:08Z<p>Tkmedia: New page: LinuxMce-0810-Alpha is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0810 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available...</p>
<hr />
<div>LinuxMce-0810-Alpha is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0810 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
Thanks Zaerc<br />
<br />
==Versions available==<br />
<br />
The currently available version is alpha0, which is broken in numerous ways. <br />
<br />
===alpha0===<br />
Known problems<br />
<br />
Please add all the issues you can find below, and/or add your name to the list of people confirming (simply sign it with [[User:Tkmedia|Tkmedia]]).<br />
General issues<br />
<br />
Add software list<br />
<br />
* The "Add Software" list is empty, this probably needs to be filled somewhere, see also "workarounds" below. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
Junk in sources.list<br />
<br />
* There are entries for old repositories that keep being added to the sources.list, needs further investigation. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
External Media Identifier<br />
<br />
The External Media Identifier fails to start, this is because it wasn't build as the sources are not available, however it can be installed successfully using the 0710 "id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_i386.deb" package. <br />
<br />
Confirmed by: tkmedia<br />
<br />
Confirmed Working<br />
<br />
* DVD identification - Ripping</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Building_LinuxMCE_0810&diff=16129Building LinuxMCE 08102008-11-07T05:29:33Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Obtaining, installing and configuring the build scripts */</p>
<hr />
<div>For a more in detail description of all the steps involved see [[Building LinuxMCE 0804]]<br />
<br />
Currently the focus is on getting the following to work completely.<br />
<br />
===Obtaining, installing and configuring the build scripts===<br />
<br />
Obtaining.<br />
sudo su -<br />
apt-get install subversion<br />
svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
<br />
Installing.<br />
cd Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode<br />
./install.sh<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
Configuring.<br />
cat >/etc/lmce-build/builder.custom.conf <<EOF<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to avoid DVD build step[s]<br />
do_not_build_sl_dvd="yes"<br />
do_not_build_dl_dvd="yes"<br />
<br />
<br />
# Uncomment to create fake win32 binaries<br />
win32_create_fake="yes"<br />
<br />
EOF<br />
<br />
===Preparing for build===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
The preparation steps one at a time:<br />
prepare-scripts/install-build-pkgs.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd1-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/create-diskless-debootstrap.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh<br />
prepare-scripts/preseed-build-pkgs.sh<br />
<br />
Or, you could do them all in one go with:<br />
./prepare.sh<br />
<br />
===Building from source===<br />
<br />
cd /usr/local/lmce-build<br />
<br />
All the build steps can be executed seperately:<br />
build-scripts/checkout-svn.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-win32bins.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-replacements.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-makerelease.sh<br />
build-scripts/import-databases.sh<br />
build-scripts/build-maindebs.sh<br />
build-scripts/get-closed-source-debs.sh<br />
build-scripts/create-repo.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd1-build.sh<br />
build-scripts/cd2-build.sh<br />
<br />
Or the following script will run them all:<br />
./build.sh</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Sony_VGP-XL1B&diff=15978Sony VGP-XL1B2008-10-26T16:06:36Z<p>Tkmedia: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[Category: Hardware]]<br />
[[Category: Storage]]<br />
<br />
LinuxMCE supports the Sony VGP-XL1BN (N=1,2,3...) 200-disc CD/DVD changer jukebox. The jukebox requires Firewire to connect to a host PC.<br />
<br />
=Identifying the CD/DVD Drive=<br />
Different jukebox models (and perhaps different revisions of a given model) have different CD/DVD drive models installed. All jukebox models display only "VGP-XL1B" (not their revision number) on their cases. The internal drive model can be detected at a Linux commandline with (grep -C3 -i dvd /var/log/messages) to find the device info reported when the jukebox is found by the kernel on the Firewire bus as the connected PC boots. Note that the PC might have other DVD drives, like an internal IDE or SATA DVD drive in the main chassis. The jukebox drive shows up with a "SCSI" (or scsi) label in the messages, typically immediately after the ieee1394: sbp2 driver loads (which the -C3 argument for grep should also show as context).<br />
<br />
=CD/DVD Drive Models=<br />
My XL1B contains a Matshita SW-9584 drive (with B104 firmware) (OEM'ed to Sony, but also sold by Panasonic): [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 17:52, 18 December 2007 (MST)<BR><br />
[http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:y07SE9NFBDgJ:www.ciao.co.uk/Panasonic_SR_8583_B__5818219+Matshita+9584+speed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us Panasonic SW-9584-C]<BR><br />
DVD±RW (+R DL) / DVD-RAM drive<BR><br />
Internal - IDE<BR><br />
Read speed: 40x (CD) / 16x (DVD)<BR><br />
Write speed: 40x (CD) / 16x (DVD±R) / 4x (DVD+R DL)<BR><br />
Rewrite speed: 24x (CD) / 6x (DVD-RW) / 8x (DVD+RW) / 5x (DVD-RAM)<BR><br />
<br />
=Warning=<br />
Some users have [http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=3517.0 reported problems with the alignment] between the changer mechanism and the drive. This misalignment can cause the changer to stop loading discs into itself before it's full, or jam and stop working, or even damage discs. There is also some advice available for [http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10415037#post10415037 fixing the alignment].<br />
<br />
=Ripping Issues=<br />
Currently when a running a multiple cd rip job from the changer, the output format defaults to ogg.<br />
You can override the ripping format by inserting ripFormatString="flac" in line 66 (above ripFormat=${ripFormatString%%;*} ) to /usr/pluto/ripDiskWrapper.sh.<br />
<br />
change flac in ripFormatString="flac" to your desired output.</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Hardy-iglu&diff=15452Hardy-iglu2008-08-31T23:17:32Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Workarounds and fixes */</p>
<hr />
<div>{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<br />
hardy-iglu is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0804 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
==Versions available==<br />
<br />
The currently available version is alpha0, which is broken in numerous ways. This release was only intended to see if the installer works, and perhaps to provide a base for further development. <br />
<br />
===alpha0===<br />
<br />
The alpha0 release is broken pretty badly and definately not suited for actual use. This release is only available as a CD installer for the i386 platform, note that one of the ISO images is currently to big to fit on a CD.<br />
<br />
It needs to be installed on a clean (not upgraded!) [http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/hardy/ Kubuntu-8.04] desktop install (not 8.04.1!), and there are 2 packages (do not install or upgrade any others) that need to be installed before the lmce installer can be run sucessfully, like this:<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install dpkg-dev msttcorefonts<br />
Other then that, the instructions of the regular [[Installation Guide]] apply, except for the versions used.<br />
<br />
In a nutshell: <br />
#Install Kubutu-8.04 desktop from the live-CD.<br />
#Install the dpkg-dev and msttcorefonts packages in advance as shown above.<br />
#Copy the 3 ISOs (Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso, Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD2.iso and kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso) over to the fresh Kubuntu-8.04 desktop install.<br />
#Mount Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso and install the mce-installer_2.0.1-1_i386.deb package and unmount the ISO again.<br />
#Run the installer by clicking the icon on the desktop, when it asks for the CDs simply point it at the corresponding ISO instead.<br />
#Walk away and check back in an hour or so.<br />
<br />
====Known problems====<br />
Please add all the issues you can find below, and/or add your name to the list of people confirming (simply sign it with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>).<br />
<br />
=====General issues=====<br />
*Several buttons appear to be missing in the setup wizard, probaly just one or more missing graphics.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The "Add Software" list is empty, this probably needs to be filled somewhere, see also "workarounds" below.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*There are entries for old repositories in the sources.list, they probably need to be removed<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Asterisk fails to run without giving an error.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Sending the MobileOrbiter software to the phone fails as the binaries weren't build, however it does work if the orbiter was already installed on the phone by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI1 related=====<br />
*Several graphics for buttons are missing from the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*The back button is not working on the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Unable to click "Yes, do it now" or "No, do it later" on the "You have recently added or removed devices" screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Screen goes black after the screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Media playback issue, the screen goes black after a bit.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI2 related=====<br />
*Playback issue where the video is only visible when the UI is on-screen<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
====Workarounds and fixes====<br />
*Installing libdvdcss and/or w32codecs.<br />
echo "deb <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/</nowiki> hardy free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list<br />
wget -q <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg</nowiki> -O- | apt-key add -<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install libdvdcss2 #if you want libdvdcss<br />
apt-get install w32codecs #if you want the w32codecs<br />
You might want to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file manually anyway to take out the old (and/or non-functional) repositories for gutsy/edgy/replacements/linuxmce.com.<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
<br />
*The External Media Identifier fails to start, this is because it wasn't build as the sources are not available.<br />
Turn it off by disabeling it in the web-admin's "devices tree".<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
The External Media Identifier can be installed successfully using the 07010 package.<br />
loacted at: <br />
/mnt/recovery/archives/deb-cache/id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_i386.deb<br />
<br />
<br />
Working.<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:tkmedia|tkmedia]]<br />
<br />
====Confirmed Working====<br />
*The mce-installer.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The flickr photo screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Diskless media director (with initial manual setup).<br />
Confirmed by:<br />
*The Mobile-Orbiter, provided that the software was already installed on the device by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Hardy-iglu&diff=15451Hardy-iglu2008-08-31T23:16:35Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Workarounds and fixes */</p>
<hr />
<div>{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<br />
hardy-iglu is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0804 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
==Versions available==<br />
<br />
The currently available version is alpha0, which is broken in numerous ways. This release was only intended to see if the installer works, and perhaps to provide a base for further development. <br />
<br />
===alpha0===<br />
<br />
The alpha0 release is broken pretty badly and definately not suited for actual use. This release is only available as a CD installer for the i386 platform, note that one of the ISO images is currently to big to fit on a CD.<br />
<br />
It needs to be installed on a clean (not upgraded!) [http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/hardy/ Kubuntu-8.04] desktop install (not 8.04.1!), and there are 2 packages (do not install or upgrade any others) that need to be installed before the lmce installer can be run sucessfully, like this:<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install dpkg-dev msttcorefonts<br />
Other then that, the instructions of the regular [[Installation Guide]] apply, except for the versions used.<br />
<br />
In a nutshell: <br />
#Install Kubutu-8.04 desktop from the live-CD.<br />
#Install the dpkg-dev and msttcorefonts packages in advance as shown above.<br />
#Copy the 3 ISOs (Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso, Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD2.iso and kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso) over to the fresh Kubuntu-8.04 desktop install.<br />
#Mount Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso and install the mce-installer_2.0.1-1_i386.deb package and unmount the ISO again.<br />
#Run the installer by clicking the icon on the desktop, when it asks for the CDs simply point it at the corresponding ISO instead.<br />
#Walk away and check back in an hour or so.<br />
<br />
====Known problems====<br />
Please add all the issues you can find below, and/or add your name to the list of people confirming (simply sign it with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>).<br />
<br />
=====General issues=====<br />
*Several buttons appear to be missing in the setup wizard, probaly just one or more missing graphics.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The "Add Software" list is empty, this probably needs to be filled somewhere, see also "workarounds" below.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*There are entries for old repositories in the sources.list, they probably need to be removed<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Asterisk fails to run without giving an error.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Sending the MobileOrbiter software to the phone fails as the binaries weren't build, however it does work if the orbiter was already installed on the phone by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI1 related=====<br />
*Several graphics for buttons are missing from the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*The back button is not working on the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Unable to click "Yes, do it now" or "No, do it later" on the "You have recently added or removed devices" screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Screen goes black after the screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Media playback issue, the screen goes black after a bit.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI2 related=====<br />
*Playback issue where the video is only visible when the UI is on-screen<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
====Workarounds and fixes====<br />
*Installing libdvdcss and/or w32codecs.<br />
echo "deb <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/</nowiki> hardy free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list<br />
wget -q <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg</nowiki> -O- | apt-key add -<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install libdvdcss2 #if you want libdvdcss<br />
apt-get install w32codecs #if you want the w32codecs<br />
You might want to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file manually anyway to take out the old (and/or non-functional) repositories for gutsy/edgy/replacements/linuxmce.com.<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
<br />
*The External Media Identifier fails to start, this is because it wasn't build as the sources are not available.<br />
Turn it off by disabeling it in the web-admin's "devices tree".<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
The External Media Identifier can be installed successfully using the 07010 package.<br />
loacted at: <br />
/mnt/recovery/archives/deb-cache/id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_i386.deb<br />
<br />
<br />
i386 Working.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:tkmedia|tkmedia]]<br />
<br />
====Confirmed Working====<br />
*The mce-installer.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The flickr photo screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Diskless media director (with initial manual setup).<br />
Confirmed by:<br />
*The Mobile-Orbiter, provided that the software was already installed on the device by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Hardy-iglu&diff=15450Hardy-iglu2008-08-31T23:15:46Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Workarounds and fixes */</p>
<hr />
<div>{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<br />
hardy-iglu is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0804 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
==Versions available==<br />
<br />
The currently available version is alpha0, which is broken in numerous ways. This release was only intended to see if the installer works, and perhaps to provide a base for further development. <br />
<br />
===alpha0===<br />
<br />
The alpha0 release is broken pretty badly and definately not suited for actual use. This release is only available as a CD installer for the i386 platform, note that one of the ISO images is currently to big to fit on a CD.<br />
<br />
It needs to be installed on a clean (not upgraded!) [http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/hardy/ Kubuntu-8.04] desktop install (not 8.04.1!), and there are 2 packages (do not install or upgrade any others) that need to be installed before the lmce installer can be run sucessfully, like this:<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install dpkg-dev msttcorefonts<br />
Other then that, the instructions of the regular [[Installation Guide]] apply, except for the versions used.<br />
<br />
In a nutshell: <br />
#Install Kubutu-8.04 desktop from the live-CD.<br />
#Install the dpkg-dev and msttcorefonts packages in advance as shown above.<br />
#Copy the 3 ISOs (Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso, Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD2.iso and kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso) over to the fresh Kubuntu-8.04 desktop install.<br />
#Mount Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso and install the mce-installer_2.0.1-1_i386.deb package and unmount the ISO again.<br />
#Run the installer by clicking the icon on the desktop, when it asks for the CDs simply point it at the corresponding ISO instead.<br />
#Walk away and check back in an hour or so.<br />
<br />
====Known problems====<br />
Please add all the issues you can find below, and/or add your name to the list of people confirming (simply sign it with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>).<br />
<br />
=====General issues=====<br />
*Several buttons appear to be missing in the setup wizard, probaly just one or more missing graphics.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The "Add Software" list is empty, this probably needs to be filled somewhere, see also "workarounds" below.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*There are entries for old repositories in the sources.list, they probably need to be removed<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Asterisk fails to run without giving an error.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Sending the MobileOrbiter software to the phone fails as the binaries weren't build, however it does work if the orbiter was already installed on the phone by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI1 related=====<br />
*Several graphics for buttons are missing from the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*The back button is not working on the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Unable to click "Yes, do it now" or "No, do it later" on the "You have recently added or removed devices" screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Screen goes black after the screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Media playback issue, the screen goes black after a bit.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI2 related=====<br />
*Playback issue where the video is only visible when the UI is on-screen<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
====Workarounds and fixes====<br />
*Installing libdvdcss and/or w32codecs.<br />
echo "deb <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/</nowiki> hardy free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list<br />
wget -q <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg</nowiki> -O- | apt-key add -<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install libdvdcss2 #if you want libdvdcss<br />
apt-get install w32codecs #if you want the w32codecs<br />
You might want to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file manually anyway to take out the old (and/or non-functional) repositories for gutsy/edgy/replacements/linuxmce.com.<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
<br />
*The External Media Identifier fails to start, this is because it wasn't build as the sources are not available.<br />
Turn it off by disabeling it in the web-admin's "devices tree".<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
The External Media Identifier can be installed successfully using the 07010 package.<br />
loacted at: <br />
/mnt/recovery/archives/deb-cache/id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_i386.deb<br />
/mnt/recovery/archives/deb-cache/id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_amd64.deb<br />
<br />
i386 Working.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:tkmedia|tkmedia]]<br />
<br />
====Confirmed Working====<br />
*The mce-installer.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The flickr photo screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Diskless media director (with initial manual setup).<br />
Confirmed by:<br />
*The Mobile-Orbiter, provided that the software was already installed on the device by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Hardy-iglu&diff=15449Hardy-iglu2008-08-31T23:15:09Z<p>Tkmedia: /* Workarounds and fixes */</p>
<hr />
<div>{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<br />
hardy-iglu is a test release build from the sources available in the LinuxMCE-0804 branch of SVN. It is missing several components of which the sources are not publicly available.<br />
<br />
==Versions available==<br />
<br />
The currently available version is alpha0, which is broken in numerous ways. This release was only intended to see if the installer works, and perhaps to provide a base for further development. <br />
<br />
===alpha0===<br />
<br />
The alpha0 release is broken pretty badly and definately not suited for actual use. This release is only available as a CD installer for the i386 platform, note that one of the ISO images is currently to big to fit on a CD.<br />
<br />
It needs to be installed on a clean (not upgraded!) [http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/hardy/ Kubuntu-8.04] desktop install (not 8.04.1!), and there are 2 packages (do not install or upgrade any others) that need to be installed before the lmce installer can be run sucessfully, like this:<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install dpkg-dev msttcorefonts<br />
Other then that, the instructions of the regular [[Installation Guide]] apply, except for the versions used.<br />
<br />
In a nutshell: <br />
#Install Kubutu-8.04 desktop from the live-CD.<br />
#Install the dpkg-dev and msttcorefonts packages in advance as shown above.<br />
#Copy the 3 ISOs (Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso, Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD2.iso and kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso) over to the fresh Kubuntu-8.04 desktop install.<br />
#Mount Iglu-0804_alpha0.i386.CD1.iso and install the mce-installer_2.0.1-1_i386.deb package and unmount the ISO again.<br />
#Run the installer by clicking the icon on the desktop, when it asks for the CDs simply point it at the corresponding ISO instead.<br />
#Walk away and check back in an hour or so.<br />
<br />
====Known problems====<br />
Please add all the issues you can find below, and/or add your name to the list of people confirming (simply sign it with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>).<br />
<br />
=====General issues=====<br />
*Several buttons appear to be missing in the setup wizard, probaly just one or more missing graphics.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The "Add Software" list is empty, this probably needs to be filled somewhere, see also "workarounds" below.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*There are entries for old repositories in the sources.list, they probably need to be removed<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Asterisk fails to run without giving an error.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Sending the MobileOrbiter software to the phone fails as the binaries weren't build, however it does work if the orbiter was already installed on the phone by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI1 related=====<br />
*Several graphics for buttons are missing from the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*The back button is not working on the video file list screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Unable to click "Yes, do it now" or "No, do it later" on the "You have recently added or removed devices" screen.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Screen goes black after the screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
*Media playback issue, the screen goes black after a bit.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
=====UI2 related=====<br />
*Playback issue where the video is only visible when the UI is on-screen<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
<br />
====Workarounds and fixes====<br />
*Installing libdvdcss and/or w32codecs.<br />
echo "deb <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/</nowiki> hardy free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list<br />
wget -q <nowiki>http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg</nowiki> -O- | apt-key add -<br />
apt-get update<br />
apt-get install libdvdcss2 #if you want libdvdcss<br />
apt-get install w32codecs #if you want the w32codecs<br />
You might want to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file manually anyway to take out the old (and/or non-functional) repositories for gutsy/edgy/replacements/linuxmce.com.<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: <br />
<br />
*The External Media Identifier fails to start, this is because it wasn't build as the sources are not available.<br />
Turn it off by disabeling it in the web-admin's "devices tree".<br />
<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
The External Media Identifier can be installed successfully using the 07010 package.<br />
loacted at: <br />
/mnt/recovery/archives/deb-cache/id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_i386.deb<br />
/mnt/recovery/archives/deb-cache/id-my-disc_1.8.ub0710_amd64.deb<br />
<br />
i386 Working.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:tkmedia|tkmedia]]<br />
<br />
====Confirmed Working====<br />
*The mce-installer.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*The flickr photo screen saver.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]<br />
*Diskless media director (with initial manual setup).<br />
Confirmed by:<br />
*The Mobile-Orbiter, provided that the software was already installed on the device by a previous version of lmce.<br />
Confirmed by: [[User:Zaerc|Zaerc]]</div>Tkmediahttp://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=FREEBUS&diff=13156FREEBUS2008-06-03T21:28:16Z<p>Tkmedia: New page: [http://www.freebus.org Freebus]</p>
<hr />
<div>[http://www.freebus.org Freebus]</div>Tkmedia